the 81 km ride in Strade was huge ok. but not that outrageous. Visma was below par and the others never worked well together
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Either riders are here or they just lurk here. I've been thinking this a lot. (Depending on their level of sociotropy of course 🤣 )looking at some of those quotes we now know some of the peloton are posters here.
🤔looking at some of those quotes we now know some of the peloton are posters here.
Exactly, apart from Van Gils, they immediately started racing for second place instead of chasing. Pidcock can say all the WTF he wants, but when Pog attacked he was not even in the picture. The gap was already more than 2 minutes when some kind of chase was organised, Wellens and del Torro did a good job blocking it. Shortly afterwards the pace slowed down and became very uneven. Valter performed about 10 yo-yo's in this period...the 81 km ride in Strade was huge ok. but not that outrageous. Visma was below par and the others never worked well together
What the flying f**k are you talking about? With one hand you claim others for prejudices and yet you have these wild claims based on absolutely BS.You make alot of leaps in your prejudicial analysis. While we know most Americans of a certain team and era all partook of party aids as juniors; Tadej had to be good enough to command attention coming from backwater Slovenia.
That said, the proliferation of former Eastern bloc athletes flooding the pro ranks in tennis, basketball, football, mma and cycling suggest either excellent grassroots coaching or superior pharmacological research. Following drug money out of the Mediterranean it does seem to follow a pattern that way.
There is the myth Lance was unlikable. I don't know a single rider who is close to have a similar popularity to what Lance had back in the early 00's. Not even Contador.It is possibly more psycho to win from 80 km out while smiling and being Mr. Nice!
At least Lance was an unlikable villain.
Correct. Lancy-poo was loved by many. He could definitely turn on the charisma. Of course he was also a total SOBThere is the myth Lance was unlikable. I don't know a single rider who is close to have a similar popularity to what Lance had back in the early 00's. Not even Contador.
He beat cancer, and then he won the Tour. It was a inspirational story.There is the myth Lance was unlikable. I don't know a single rider who is close to have a similar popularity to what Lance had back in the early 00's. Not even Contador.
The gentleman claimed : "He already had a pre contract with UAE at that point. They just juiced him up early in his career so they could go 'look, he was always a huge talent'. Once up on a time he lost ITTs to Anthon Charmig and Jonas Gregaard."What the flying f**k are you talking about? With one hand you claim others for prejudices and yet you have these wild claims based on absolutely BS.
He was my idol mate. He really put cycling in the map.He beat cancer, and then he won the Tour. It was a inspirational story.
The real problem with Armstrong wasn't the fact he was a doper, but the fact he was a bully.He was my idol mate. He really put cycling in the map.
Imagine Pog actually really thinks it is like a game, something fun, something to experiment with and see how far he can go? That would be one kind of motivation; playing it like a game that's fun in and off itself?It is possibly more psycho to win from 80 km out while smiling and being Mr. Nice!
At least Lance was an unlikable villain.
His version of cycling. Greg Lemond put cycling on the US map, with some humor and grace. The French of the era knew what he'd done.He was my idol mate. He really put cycling in the map.
As in fairytale...He beat cancer, and then he won the Tour. It was a inspirational story.
Lance was a perfectionist. Even with doping. Agree about his personality.The real problem with Armstrong wasn't the fact he was a doper, but the fact he was a bully.
What he did to the massagist female O'Reilly, was absolutely disgusting, making his life an hell, even called her a prostitute.
Everybody was a doper, indurain, pantani, riis, even the guys from 80s, and doping is part of every sport, not just cycling.
Like i said, my main problem with him, was how he was as a human being.
I think transfusions came before EPO, then there were EPO infused transfusions! Then when the EPO tests came out, transfusions again, then micro-dosing EPO and transfusions.Indurain used to smile while obliterating the peloton. Nobody thought he was creepy.
Armstrong is a completely different personality.
Lance was a perfectionist. Even with doping. Agree about his personality.
On the 80s, sure they were doping but oxygen vector doping changed everything. First EPO, then transfusions, then EPO microdosing.
This is what Tom Dumoulin talked about recently -These guys are weirdos, nerds, they ain't normal kids.
Maybe this was always the fact for cycling, but it will also factor in with drug responses, sudden increases in abilities etc. Jonas is a good example where extreme structure also likely is part of the explanation to why he showed extreme improvement after joining Rabo. Not saying that means he's clean. Far from it. But these things factor in way more than for the average dudes.
I'm just struck by it. The more I look for narcissism the more autist-ish guys I find 🤣
(And I hope I won't have to explain how neurology and getting a diagnosis ain't the same thing and I'm talking about the neurology here, not trying to diagnose them or those similar to them.)
The way cycling has changed into a sport where everything can be measured and optimized through data also favours nerds in itself.
This might also explain Vingegaard's mental problem with nerves or whatever it is. I'd still like to know what "Academy" Visma sent Vingegaard to."From the age of 15 or 16, these boys often receive the same guidance as the pros. It has become so calculated and structured in terms of training and nutrition. That knowledge was not available when I was sixteen. I didn't know how Michael Boogerd trained, but now every sixteen-year-old can watch Strava and copy what the pros do.”
As mentioned though, Dumoulin also has concerns about the way cycling is going. “I wonder if that will burn them out," he says. "It would certainly burn me out, but they are different character types. I'm a bit of a free bird, an enthusiast. I enjoyed the adventure and the training, but not when the minute and wattage was specified. Another character type, like Remco Evenepoel, thinks that is fantastic. He also says: just write to me what I have to do and what I have to eat. Jonas Vingegaard also does exactly what the trainer says and he loves it, it benefits him. The younger generation is really raised with this and they find it normal.”
Yup this! This is gonna suit the nerds who struggles with executive functioning, like planning etc. Since it's all scheduled for them they just follow it and do what they shall. They're working hard but are also taken care of like they were children. Because they were always like children with "special needs". If they had normal jobs they might not even have made it. Like this is what they can do and this is what they have to do.This is what Tom Dumoulin talked about recently -
This might also explain Vingegaard's mental problem with nerves or whatever it is. I'd still like to know what "Academy" Visma sent Vingegaard to.
Doping in 2040? Booze and amphetamines, but we will get the sub 35 minute AdHI think transfusions came before EPO, then there were EPO infused transfusions! Then when the EPO tests came out, transfusions again, then micro-dosing EPO and transfusions.
It's the frickin dopers circle of life
Vingo W/KG matters!Why is Teddy liked despite some unbelievable performances?
It all started on the 19th of September 2020 in PDBF, where Primoz was sensationally crushed by the Slovenian wonderboy. JV realized Rogla was not enough and they needed a new solution against the UAE's new mutant.
So they decided to develop their own model. From a secret source I know they called it Project Skeletor. Creating a guy with the ultimate climber physique, calves like Parthenon columns and incredible pound per pound power. The first version (2021) couldn't beat the baby-faced machine but Ventoux stage gave hopes for success (Teddy-2020 model clearly had flaws). So they made further improvements for the next year...
The rest is history. Skeletor became the Tour dominator while in his defeats Teddy showed human side a few times and that's why public started liking him more than before. Robotic behaviour of the JV's masterpiece clearly helped as well. What's the next chapter in this story? Time will tell!
Now compare these results to his pre-UAE time trials.I wonder if the trolls would look at Pogacar differently if he at the age of 18 was beating up 17 year olds like Remco, instead of competing against men.
I also wonder if the trolls really believe that winning a 90-kilometre junior race is worth more than, say, fifth place in the Tour of Slovenia and only older guys beat you from WT teams like Majka, Visconti, Haig...
It also makes you wonder why the trolls are so angry because he couldn't win a stage against two years older guys like Mader, Vlasov, Dunbar... even though he beat them easily in GC.
and when did he have a bad ITT? Except for the 2023 World Championship when he was dead for obvious reasons.
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ROTFLOL It is more or less there for the most part. I am not sure the political will is there, either for the nations themselves or the UCI.will the scientifically technology catch up soon and uncover the frauds who dope? Or is it maybe not even convenient to do so now? How many years must we wait for another bust to go down? I mean a big bust like with Lance.
I think the problem with Toddy's initial ascendency is that pre-UAE he was also a very young rider, so that provides the possibility that contributing factors were physical development and professional support (of the non-doped means). I mean, if Froome's transformation story was enough for many, many people to suspend their disbelief, then Toddy's is at least 100 times better/more plausible.Now compare these results to his pre-UAE time trials.