Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[AmRacer]

I don't think all the top guys are doping. There's definitely something going on with Pogacar, but I don't see any extraordinary performances with his UAE colleagues. Even Evenepoel, Roglic, MvdP and Pidcock show consistency over the years and occasional weakness. Vingegaard and WVA are more suspicious of course, but it's not as obvious as Pogacar.

Poggi has lost against both Jonas and Mathieu a number of times the past couple of years.

 

[kingjr]

In the peloton, there are others who have won more than prep races. I do hope a certain two time GT champion has found his legs again.

We'll see how much they're worth.

 

[GuntherL1]

Poggi has lost against both Jonas and Mathieu a number of times the past couple of years.

Sure, but on Mathieu's terrain. Do you see him beat Pogacar in Lombardia, LBL, GC of Grand Tours or time trials? I don't.

 

[kingjr]

Ah, Basque country is a prep race now?

You could also call it a sideshow, I suppose.

 

[AmRacer]

Sure, but on Mathieu's terrain. Do you see him beat Pogacar in Lombardia, LBL, GC of Grand Tours or time trials? I don't.

And Poggi lost against Jonas on Jonas territory. No-one expects Jonas to beat Poggi in RVV, MSR, Amstel....

 

[jono]

I don't think all the top guys are doping. There's definitely something going on with Pogacar, but I don't see any extraordinary performances with his UAE colleagues. Even Evenepoel, Roglic, MvdP and Pidcock show consistency over the years and occasional weakness. Vingegaard and WVA are more suspicious of course, but it's not as obvious as Pogacar.

Where do you draw the distinction? Pogacar's consistent dominance across a variety of terrains since a young age is certainly suspicious, but so are the heights reached by Vingegaard at the tour at age 26 25 after a career of relatively anonymous results.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Slave Nuke, if you can keep Pidcock, Higuita, Arensman, Geoghegan Hart and Kuss at a distance, it does mean something.

A whole bunch of world beaters... and of course everyone wants to be in peak form for February

Anyway, do you know many 2nd tier riders that won GC in Algarve, Basque Country and Dauphiné?

Lmao. Even to consider Dani Martinez a second-tier GC rider is a stretch

tier 1- Vingegaard, Pogacar
tier 2- Roglic, Remco, Thomas
tier 3- Yates bros, Carapaz, Ayuso, Carlos Rodriguez
tier 4- Hindley, Almeida, Mas, Vlasov..... I think Martinez should be here

 

[GuntherL1]

Where do you draw the distinction? Pogacar's consistent dominance across a variety of terrains since a young age is certainly suspicious, but so are the heights reached by Vingegaard at the tour at age 26 25 after a career of relatively anonymous results.

True and Vingegaard definitely earned his Clinic page, but this topic is about Pog and Gianetti.

 

[GuntherL1]

A whole bunch of world beaters... and of course everyone wants to be in peak form for February

Lmao. Even to consider Dani Martinez a second-tier GC rider is a stretch

tier 1- Vingegaard, Pogacar
tier 2- Roglic, Remco, Thomas
tier 3- Yates bros, Carapaz, Ayuso, Carlos Rodriguez
tier 4- Hindley, Almeida, Mas, Vlasov..... I think Martinez should be here

I could go along with this for the GC, but it doesn't explain why Pogacar can drop someone like Martinez whenever he wants to. He's defintely a much better finisher/puncher than most on this list.

 

[nayr497]

Pogacar was not even sweating at the end of the 40 km. TT.
Check out when his assistant removes his helmet moments after the finish. His hair seemed to be bone dry.

I wish I had an assistant waiting to take my helmet off after my commute home from my office. All I get is one barking dog, one dog licking my sweaty legs.

It's not ideal.

 

[GuntherL1]

A whole bunch of world beaters... and of course everyone wants to be in peak form for February

He also beat Evenepoel twice and he really wanted to win. You can also check the list of guys he beat in 2022 Basque country. https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/itzulia-basque-country/2022/gc

 

[Slavique Nuke]

He also beat Evenepoel twice and he really wanted to win. You can also check the list of guys he beat in 2022 Basque country. https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/itzulia-basque-country/2022/gc

If you want to play such a stupid game... Both Narvaez and Schachmann beat Pog, even though he really wanted to win.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Deary me. Hubris might well do for this guy as it did to Armstrong. Winning so many stages, running everyone’s noses in it, is going to annoy quite a few people. He wasn’t even trying, so easy, he looks so superior it is starting to look more than a little strange to all but the wilfully blind. Was it strange that he rode with short sleeves and everyone else is wrapped up against the cold? In the meantime, thanks for another soulless drama free farce.

Edit: Maybe this is the start of at least some people challenging what they are seeing, https://www.msn.com/fr-fr/sport/oth...-les-chiffres-suspects-de-pogacar/ar-BB1mL0GF

 

[Froome]

I think Vingegaards performances in the TdF need some adjustment. In 2022, he beat Pogacar thanks to the teamwork and tactical errors by Pogacar. In 2023, Pogacar had a disturbed preparation, but still dropped Vingegaard, 3 times uphill. Vingegaards time trial was brilliant, but we forget that Pogacar finished second and put more than a minute on everyone else.
Rog and REv are equally matched and no competition for those two imho. I guess they're second tier as well.

You talked about tatical errors, what about the tatical errors Vingegaard did on Tourmalet and Cambasque? The only time he was dropped.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

More or less than Jonas and Mathieu?

Yes

 

[Froome]

More or less than Jonas and Mathieu?

In my opinion, they are doped, but they are not taking something illegal, and i think there's no secrets in the peloton, they are taking all the same.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

You talked about tatical errors, what about the tatical errors Vingegaard did on Tourmalet and Cambasque? The only time he was dropped.

He didn't do anything wrong on Tourmalet.

 

[Froome]

He didn't do anything wrong on Tourmalet.

Of course he did, he should had stopped pushing when he saw he couldn't drop Pogacar.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Of course he did, he should had stopped pushing when he saw he couldn't drop Pogacar.

Well he couldn't know he wouldn't be able to before they reached the top, and he had Van Aert waiting for him. It didn't make sense to call it off at that point.

 

[ivanic]

there should be police cars to take him to the police station and instead nothing, we continue talking and nothing. It will happen again and again.

urine was thrown at Froome, spat on and humiliated by journalists

I only read positive comments, the girls have wet panties and everyone else considers him a baby God. Is it a nightmare? Is this a Truman Show?

He It is destroying cycling, history and physiology. This scammer has a peak form that lasts 6 months, is this cycling?

The Arab money will keep him out of any doping problems, while us poor sods have yet to figure out what he and the fisherman are using.

He was in a flat stage said mister steak.

 

[snipeheem]

there should be police cars to take him to the police station and instead nothing, we continue talking and nothing. It will happen again and again.

urine was thrown at Froome, spat on and humiliated by journalists

I only read positive comments, the girls have wet panties and everyone else considers him a baby God. Is it a nightmare? Is this a Truman Show?

He It is destroying cycling, history and physiology. This scammer has a peak form that lasts 6 months, is this cycling?

The Arab money will keep him out of any doping problems, while us poor sods have yet to figure out what he and the fisherman are using.

He was in a flat stage said mister steak.

Dont worry brother one day he will get caught lance says hi

 

[Ripper]

Love this title from cyclingnews: "An accidental victory". Hilarious, even if not entirely accurate.

Also, why are so many people having a circle jerk about Poga possibly pulling a Pantani and winning the Tour as well? How is it a good thing to emulate a hyperdoped racer from the 90s? Seriously? I mean, I would almost post this in the professional forum, because it's not so much about doping directly as it is a question about why would people get excited about this possibility

 

[CleanCiclismo]

Has there ever been a question about doping during this Giro? This subject seems to be completely avoided recently. I mean we all know that Teddy is clean but some journalists can't help themselves usually while now there is nothing.

Vegni paid a lot of money to have Pogačar here. No way he will allow those questions.

 

[Salvarani]

there should be police cars to take him to the police station and instead nothing, we continue talking and nothing. It will happen again and again.

urine was thrown at Froome, spat on and humiliated by journalists

I only read positive comments, the girls have wet panties and everyone else considers him a baby God. Is it a nightmare? Is this a Truman Show?

He It is destroying cycling, history and physiology. This scammer has a peak form that lasts 6 months, is this cycling?

The Arab money will keep him out of any doping problems, while us poor sods have yet to figure out what he and the fisherman are using.

He was in a flat stage said mister steak.

He is just the GOAT.

 

[ivanic]

Martinez vs Pogacar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1793013133306380351

View: https://x.com/DeportColombia/status/1793013133306380351