Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Mex_17]

The only hope now is someone younger comes up with 10 times the doping that Pogocar is doing, so races can be competitive again. I'm actually surprised that Pog doesn't ride the Giro, TdF, and Vuelta every year. Does anyone doubt he would easily win all three, plus all the monuments?

At some point, this has to affect sponsorship, as why would anyone waste money sponsoring a team in race that Pogocar is in? You're already doomed to second place at best. Unless a better doper arrives, this could go on for 10 years.

I used to watch every TdF stage on replay. Now if it's a mountain or puncheur stage, I look to see if Pog won, and he almost always does if he wants to, so I skip it. I watch the sprint stages only, but I check to see if Pog won those too, because he could. It's just stupid at this point. Unless you're a Pog fan, who wants to watch cycling anymore?

 

[jono]

The only hope now is someone younger comes up with 10 times the doping that Pogocar is doing, so races can be competitive again. I'm actually surprised that Pog doesn't ride the Giro, TdF, and Vuelta every year. Does anyone doubt he would easily win all three, plus all the monuments?

At some point, this has to affect sponsorship, as why would anyone waste money sponsoring a team in race that Pogocar is in? You're already doomed to second place at best. Unless a better doper arrives, this could go on for 10 years.

I used to watch every TdF stage on replay. Now if it's a mountain or puncheur stage, I look to see if Pog won, and he almost always does if he wants to, so I skip it. I watch the sprint stages only, but I check to see if Pog won those too, because he could. It's just stupid at this point. Unless you're a Pog fan, who wants to watch cycling anymore?

Imagine writing this post in 2022 or 2023.

 

[CleanCiclismo]

The only hope now is someone younger comes up with 10 times the doping that Pogocar is doing, so races can be competitive again. I'm actually surprised that Pog doesn't ride the Giro, TdF, and Vuelta every year. Does anyone doubt he would easily win all three, plus all the monuments?

At some point, this has to affect sponsorship, as why would anyone waste money sponsoring a team in race that Pogocar is in? You're already doomed to second place at best. Unless a better doper arrives, this could go on for 10 years.

I used to watch every TdF stage on replay. Now if it's a mountain or puncheur stage, I look to see if Pog won, and he almost always does if he wants to, so I skip it. I watch the sprint stages only, but I check to see if Pog won those too, because he could. It's just stupid at this point. Unless you're a Pog fan, who wants to watch cycling anymore?

You must love F1.

 

[Peanut1970]

The only hope now is someone younger comes up with 10 times the doping that Pogocar is doing, so races can be competitive again. I'm actually surprised that Pog doesn't ride the Giro, TdF, and Vuelta every year. Does anyone doubt he would easily win all three, plus all the monuments?

At some point, this has to affect sponsorship, as why would anyone waste money sponsoring a team in race that Pogocar is in? You're already doomed to second place at best. Unless a better doper arrives, this could go on for 10 years.

I used to watch every TdF stage on replay. Now if it's a mountain or puncheur stage, I look to see if Pog won, and he almost always does if he wants to, so I skip it. I watch the sprint stages only, but I check to see if Pog won those too, because he could. It's just stupid at this point. Unless you're a Pog fan, who wants to watch cycling anymore?

Just turn over to downhill MTB, that's competition.

 

[shadowrider]

The problem for others is that this year they are going for the 4th consecutive top2 at the Tour (not done yet but it's likely) - their consistency at super-high level is top notch and they are far from being done it seems. Maybe Remco this year will get closer than anyone before but obviously he's an established huge talent, not some unknown neo-pro.

I find Evenepoel's past and present performances much more credible than those of Pogacar and Vingegaard. As a junior, Evenepoel was slightly better and
more talented than Pogacar (but not having the same age, they didn't compete against each other), while Vingegaard was out of the question at that age. As a joung pro, Evenepoel showed strong performances. But he was never really superior in climbing and regularly suffered smaller weaknesses and a major breakdown. Pogacar was twice beaten by Vingegaard. In the Tour 22 he panicked due to the monstruous strong team of Jumbo. In 23 Pogacar was not at his best after his Liège crash and wrist fracture. But a Pogacar in great form (having the strongest team) is unapproachable. And what about Vingegaard ? Untouchable those last two years in the Tour. This time, after a desastrous crash, terrible injuries, two weeks hospital, recovery, far too little training, now able to almost stay in the wheel of Pogacar uphill. Either I don't know anything about cycling and top sports in general, or he uses a special (undetectable) sauce. Probably the same as Poga.

 

[GuntherL1]

I find Evenepoel's past and present performances much more credible than those of Pogacar and Vingegaard. As a junior, Evenepoel was slightly better and
more talented than Pogacar (but not having the same age, they didn't compete against each other), while Vingegaard was out of the question at that age. As a joung pro, Evenepoel showed strong performances. But he was never really superior in climbing and regularly suffered smaller weaknesses and a major breakdown. Pogacar was twice beaten by Vingegaard. In the Tour 22 he panicked due to the monstruous strong team of Jumbo. In 23 Pogacar was not at his best after his Liège crash and wrist fracture. But a Pogacar in great form (having the strongest team) is unapproachable. And what about Vingegaard ? Untouchable those last two years in the Tour. This time, after a desastrous crash, terrible injuries, two weeks hospital, recovery, far too little training, now able to almost stay in the wheel of Pogacar uphill. Either I don't know anything about cycling and top sports in general, or he uses a special (undetectable) sauce. Probably the same as Poga.

Slightly better? Evenepoel crushed everyone in his junior years, Pogacar only won the Giro di Lunigiana against a bunch of riders nobody remembers.

I agree that Vingegaards TdF performances are very suspicious as well, but at least he doesn't crush every one day race.

 

[Ripper]

My guess is that was about where many thought he would end up? A bit behind Remco, and bit ahead of Voldi. So much for "the new bike will be 40 seconds faster" rubbish (superteams are so full of shyte, are they not?)

Now we will need to see what the pattern is. Does he get stronger because he is the amazing Pogi with amazing recovery, the Giro was easy, etc.? Or does he plateau or decline because, well, he still raced a Giro and timing a 3rd week peak from that process is more than tricky.

Never underestimate the power of drugs, I mean medications, friends!

 

[Apolitical]

Slightly better? Evenepoel crushed everyone in his junior years, Pogacar only won the Giro di Lunigiana against a bunch of riders nobody remembers.

I agree that Vingegaards TdF performances are very suspicious as well, but at least he doesn't crush every one day race.

Pogy has been riding away from everyone all year. Attacking where no one can sit on his wheel. Then blowing by the breakaway riders, and finally going into cruise control to win over the contenders by 2-3 minutes. These other riders along with their teams shouldn't be that bad every day and reace that they're losing multiple minutes. He makes it look easy.

Keep in mind Vingo's wins over Pog at the TDFs were from Pogs really bad days. So bad he actually had to ride behind teammates. Not that Vingo in not under suspicion, just he appears more consistent over 3 weeks.

Pogy also has 3 riders, Ayuso, Jaoa, & Yates on his team that really stepped up this year too. Previously I would put them at a level with GT riders like Hindley, Geoganhart, Kuss, Mas, Rodriguez, Nairo, & Carapaz (the latter two are getting old, I know). Top riders that need a everything to go perfect and a lot of luck. Now it looks like they're better than all these riders. And, whoever else I forgot on the list.

 

[GuntherL1]

It's good to see that Tadej was taking it easy today after riding the Giro. Oh wait...

 

[Ripper]

Pogy has been riding away from everyone all year. Attacking where no one can sit on his wheel. Then blowing by the breakaway riders, and finally going into cruise control to win over the contenders by 2-3 minutes. These other riders along with their teams shouldn't be that bad every day and reace that they're losing multiple minutes. He makes it look easy.

Keep in mind Vingo's wins over Pog at the TDFs were from Pogs really bad days. So bad he actually had to ride behind teammates. Not that Vingo in not under suspicion, just he appears more consistent over 3 weeks.

Pogy also has 3 riders, Ayuso, Jaoa, & Yates on his team that really stepped up this year too. Previously I would put them at a level with GT riders like Hindley, Geoganhart, Kuss, Mas, Rodriguez, Nairo, & Carapaz (the latter two are getting old, I know). Top riders that need a everything to go perfect and a lot of luck. Now it looks like they're better than all these riders. And, whoever else I forgot on the list.

Yup. Teams and racers can target a race or one stage but if Toddly wants it, even if it's not a major target, watch out!

Attacking like a psycho killer today! Impressive. It would be hilarious if I was actually on his wheel when he attacks, just so I could see warp drive engage first hand.

Honestly, not only does Vigomort need to improve, but Toddly will need to get worse if he is to lose

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yup. Teams and racers can target a race or one stage but if Toddly wants it, even if it's not a major target, watch out!

Attacking like a psycho killer today! Impressive. It would be hilarious if I was actually on his wheel when he attacks, just so I could see warp drive engage first hand.

Honestly, not only does Vigomort need to improve, but Toddly will need to get worse if he is to lose

Teddy is a good boy who just loves racing against his best friends! (especially Vinnie). Comparison to a psycho killer won't make this forum a better place.

 

[Ripper]

Teddy is a good boy who just loves racing against his best friends! (especially Vinnie). Comparison to a psycho killer won't make this forum a better place.

That song should be his theme song

 

[Ripper]

BTW, it is interesting to watch how immediately Taddy drops folks when he lays it down. When it is 100%, I cannot even compare it to races I have been in. More like when someone sprints from a group going at a moderate pace

 

[Apolitical]

BTW, it is interesting to watch how immediately Taddy drops folks when he lays it down. When it is 100%, I cannot even compare it to races I have been in. More like when someone sprints from a group going at a moderate pace

Right?

I'll add that when he attacks and goes solo, not even a group of very good riders working together, including using disposable teammates, can catch him.

 

[James M]

This is awesome is this the dark side of the forum? Have I stumbled upon the dark knowledge here? Teach me the way I wanne rip my soul to 9 pieces and live forever.

 

[snipeheem]

This is awesome is this the dark side of the forum? Have I stumbled upon the dark knowledge here? Teach me the way I wanne rip my soul to 9 pieces and live forever.

The bright side of the forum haha the Real forum starts here haha

 

[Ripper]

This is awesome is this the dark side of the forum? Have I stumbled upon the dark knowledge here? Teach me the way I wanne rip my soul to 9 pieces and live forever.

About 100 LoLs

There's a lot to be said if you have raced against folks who are popped for doping and seen firsthand what happens in races where some folks are enhanced. It is ... unpleasant 🤔 🙂

 

[Froome]

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Great job in terms of propaganda. Emirates are being more smart than US postal in the past.

Emirates created a very good machine of propaganda, and i am talking serious, but they have to be careful with some details for the less distracted.

 

[Heston]

LOL

Even Landis or Horner were never this obvious

 

[Samu Cuenca]

LOL

Even Landis or Horner were never this obvious

If Horner had been 25 instead of 41, he would probably have crushed Nibali completely, too.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Just imagine for a second, if you will, how people and the media would have reacted if Armstrong, Contador, or Froome had been delivering results like the ones Pogacar is delivering these years. Nobody, and I really mean nobody, would have taken them seriously. But when Pogacar is literally the new Eddy Merckx it's somehow just "CICLISMO!" It's all one big fat joke.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

The trolls right now

 

[Ripper]

That initial acceleration was highly entertaining. Might have burnt out the motor with that one

 

[Ripper]

The trolls right now

Who is trolling?

 

[Slavique Nuke]

Who is trolling?

LOL

Even Landis or Horner were never this obvious