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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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Why would that be trolling? Pogacar humiliated the classics specialists in Liege, won the most superior Giro win since Basso 2006, and even with that in his legs he comes to the Tour and beats the lighter climbing specialists on Galibier and beats the time trial specialists in a time trial.

I have watched cycling since 2002 and I have never seen anyone this obvious.
 
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Heston said:
Why would that be trolling? Pogacar humiliated the classics specialists in Liege, won the most superior Giro win since Basso 2006, and even with that in his legs he comes to the Tour and beats the lighter climbing specialists on Galibier and beats the time trial specialists in a time trial.

I have watched cycling since 2002 and I have never seen anyone this obvious.
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So according to your post - Pogacar is neither a classics specialist, nor a climbing specialist, nor a time trial specialist.
What can this loser even do then?
 
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Heston said:
I have watched cycling since 2002 and I have never seen anyone this obvious.
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I've been watching cycling long before 2002 and I've never seen anything like this. Nope, not even close to this kind of alien like performance. All the best cyclist of their eras had some kind of flaw, some type of terrain that didn't suit them, except Pogačar.
 
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Listening to Hincapie, Wiggins and Lance roasting Pog tactics and I must admit I tend to agree. Sad.

They talk about Pog needing to be controlled by his DS. How he won't make teammates happy racing this way bc it also kills him.
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they're right. btw Wiggins is so good on that show. i didn't like him as a rider but he comes across as very smart and thoughtful. he's already running laps around the other two.
 
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noob said:
Listening to Hincapie, Wiggins and Lance roasting Pog tactics and I must admit I tend to agree. Sad.

They talk about Pog needing to be controlled by his DS. How he won't make teammates happy racing this way bc it also kills him.
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They are based on the assumption that Pogacar doesn't need to attack because he has a gap of 1 min and 10 s, but obviously Emirates and Pogacar knows they need to take advantage of the opportunities, like gravel stage and this stage 11 to increase the gap to Vingegaard, plus the fact Vingegaard came from injury, so they smelled blood.

Like i said, 1 min and 10 s is not confortable, and just wheelsuck Vingegaard in the last week plus the TT, is not safe against the best climber in the world.

If he attacked today more later on col perthus, nothing suggests things would be different.
 
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I'm a fanboy and still think he is doped to the gills. In fact, I don't believe in clean riders. Too many years watching cycling!
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Fair enough. I've been in the same camp for Jonas...and Wout, though the more I listen to the motor doping podcast, and then watch the videos from Wout's 2016 CX campaign, in particular, I am tempering my fandom. For some reason, if they're traditional doping, and the mutantness of that is starting to evenly spread, I'm more okay with that...motor doping is a death sentence for my fandom, for anyone.
 
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Pretty weird stuff going on
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It's like watching all the biggest dopers from their best days, but in one person. Of course Jonas is doped to the gills, but somehow his performance is more believable, probably because he rides a typical schedule of several one-week stage races during the spring, then the Dauphine and the Tour, maybe the Vuelta at the end. On the other hand, I can easily imagine Pogačar winning all the Classics, all the Grand Tours, the UCI World Championships road race and the ITT in the same year.
 
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Zen Master said:
It's like watching all the biggest dopers from their best days, but in one person. Of course Jonas is doped to the gills, but somehow his performance is more believable, probably because he rides a typical schedule of several one-week stage races during the spring, then the Dauphine and the Tour, maybe the Vuelta at the end. On the other hand, I can easily imagine Pogačar winning all the Classics, all the Grand Tours, the UCI World Championships road race and the ITT in the same year.
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I disagree. Jonas is in fact the major factor that keeps Pog's other performance clearly more believable. Jonas already crushed Pog twice in TdF and will crush him this time on stages 19 &21 as well. In fact, the toughest questions will be asked towards Jonas since he made the outstanding campaign from Intensive Medical Care to crushing everyone's on TdF in just 4 months.
 
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They are based on the assumption that Pogacar doesn't need to attack because he has a gap of 1 min and 10 s, but obviously Emirates and Pogacar knows they need to take advantage of the opportunities, like gravel stage and this stage 11 to increase the gap to Vingegaard, plus the fact Vingegaard came from injury, so they smelled blood.

Like i said, 1 min and 10 s is not confortable, and just wheelsuck Vingegaard in the last week plus the TT, is not safe against the best climber in the world.

If he attacked today more later on col perthus, nothing suggests things would be different.
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Pog's and UAE's tactic was ok given the circumstances. He got over 30 seconds of advantage and it looked good. Vingo came back but it looked far from guaranteed at that point of the race. But I'm expecting UAE to get more defensive from now on, in the Pyrenees they will wait for what Jonas does and attack probably at the end of MTFs.
 
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The Tourmalet stage on Saturday could be a massacre. The climb comes after 70km of false flat. I expect a huge battle for the breakaway but it's highly likely neither UAE nor Visma will be able to send anyone into the break before the climb because the terrain doesn't really allow for it.

What I mean by this is UAE & Visma could drill it at the front of the bunch on the Tourmalet & our 4 heroes could find themselves fighting out there again like yesterday except this time they'd be 60km from the finish with 2 climbs to come (including Pla d'Adet). Imagine the imagery, the monster time gaps... & the Dragon Ball Z-esque battle where 4 men fight with their respective superpowers which defy the norms of accepted bike racing constraints & reality.

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Maybe Gianetti's biggest mistake was assuming he had something figured out that no one could replicate, i.e. because year after year Pog races the Tour like he's the ultimate boss. But Vingegaard just keeps on delivering.

It's a crazy spectacle in any case.
 
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