Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ppanther92]

LOL

The most doped doper that ever doped. The most turbocharged alien to ever sit on a bike.

I know you hate Pogacar, I have no illusion of the state of the peloton but yet we are for sure not in pre-Hematocrit level limit times, where a 75kg fatass like Mr. 60% Riis pulled climbing times that match today on worse material and training.

 

[Blobs]

I know you hate Pogacar, I have no illusion of the state of the peloton but yet we are for sure not in pre-Hematocrit level limit times, where a 75kg fatass like Mr. 60% Riis pulled climbing times that match today on worse material and training.

So far he will have to settle for being the strongest rider post the hematocrit rule, but he's still young; he'll be pushing those 90's watts soon enough.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I know you hate Pogacar, I have no illusion of the state of the peloton but yet we are for sure not in pre-Hematocrit level limit times, where a 75kg fatass like Mr. 60% Riis pulled climbing times that match today on worse material and training.

Probably only because we have rules and tests that prevent that from happening nowadays.

 

[GuntherL1]

I know you hate Pogacar, I have no illusion of the state of the peloton but yet we are for sure not in pre-Hematocrit level limit times, where a 75kg fatass like Mr. 60% Riis pulled climbing times that match today on worse material and training.

No, we hate the UCI who allowed the dirtiest people in cycling to organize this fraud again.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

He is literally sprinting up the mountain like pantani and armstrong on alpe ventoux. We watch that footage 15 years down the line and we say, how did everybody didn't know, that they were doped?

Maybe we will say the same about days like today

 

[ppanther92]

Probably only because we have rules and tests that prevent that from happening nowadays.

For sure, but thats what I am saying. I doubt this level of 90s doping will be reached again. That does not at all imply, that I think they are not doping.

 

[ppanther92]

No, we hate the UCI who allowed the dirtiest people in cycling to organize this fraud again.

Well, if you have no clue whats going on, you can't do anything. It might also be UCI and WADA corruption (see Chinese swimmers) but in the 90s it was the same. Took some years to realize - "hey, this EPO stuff really is a gamechanger". I mean, Dr. Ferrari even did his famous "orange juice" press conference because it was not even prohibited.

 

[Heston]

I know you hate Pogacar, I have no illusion of the state of the peloton but yet we are for sure not in pre-Hematocrit level limit times, where a 75kg fatass like Mr. 60% Riis pulled climbing times that match today on worse material and training.

Yet Pogacar keeps breaking climbing records from 90s. With a Giro in his legs. And having been in top shape for Strade and Liege too.

I think Riis definitely had less dope in his body than Pogacar has.

 

[snipeheem]

For sure, but thats what I am saying. I doubt this level of 90s doping will be reached again. That does not at all imply, that I think they are not doping.

Pogi and jonas are breaking A lot of records from 90s era, only Pantani is out of reach right now, but maybe no?

 

[ppanther92]

Pogi and jonas are breaking A lot of records from 90s era, only Pantani is out of reach right now, but maybe no?

I would like an Alpe d'Huez stage tbh. Its probably the most well documented climb.

 

[snipeheem]

I would like an Alpe d'Huez stage tbh. Its probably the most well documented climb.

There is a lot of disscusion on Alpe d huez stage in this forum haha we all would love to see , but i think the media are not ready for this.

 

[ivanic]

whatever happened with covid, that's enough.

today the first human riders are Bernal and Meintjes.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What a demonstration of power after two weeks of the Tour and three weeks of the Giro! If he manages to keep the jersey till the end it will be the most ridiculous season in modern era. He's been flying since that famous 81 km solo in Strade, which was like ages ago! Peaking for one event? Come on, why not for all?

Thanks God that he's a good boy that doesn't take shortcuts (in his own words) and the current generation of cyclists if trustworthy (according to Mauro)!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

For sure, but thats what I am saying. I doubt this level of 90s doping will be reached again. That does not at all imply, that I think they are not doping.

It doesn't exclude that Pogačar could be dirtier compared to his opponents than Armstrong/Pantani were to Ullrich or Riis to Indurain, etc, if that was what Heston implied. Not that I really think that seems to be the case, but who knows?

 

[madthebad]

He is literally sprinting up the mountain like pantani and armstrong on alpe ventoux. We watch that footage 15 years down the line and we say, how did everybody didn't know, that they were doped?

Maybe we will say the same about days like today

I mean he barely beat by 30 seconds some skinny guy with one functional lung and a few broken ribs who was working in a fish factory before jumping on a bike and dominating 2 TDF's. That kid went straight from skinning fish to skinning GC winners, at least Pogi has some pedigree, style and he's a funny guy.

 

[ppanther92]

It doesn't exclude that Pogačar could be dirtier compared to his opponents than Armstrong/Pantani were to Ullrich or Riis to Indurain, etc, if that was what Heston implied. Not that I really think that seems to be the case, but who knows?

Ok, fair. Thats true. I don't think he has this Armstrong political protection thing going on but yes, thats an option ofc.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Ok, fair. Thats true. I don't think he has this Armstrong political protection thing going on but yes, thats an option ofc.

I'm not so sure about that though. However in case there really is special protection being applied, he doesn't appear to have more of it than his biggest rivals.

 

[Heston]

Pogacar is definitely getting protection in the same way Armstrong did. He's actually a lot like Armstrong in most ways, on a personal level too.

Only major difference between Armstrong and Pogacar is that even Armstrong didnt want to do enough doping to crush the classics, Giro and Tour in the same season.

 

[madthebad]

Pogacar is definitely getting protection in the same way Armstrong did. He's actually a lot like Armstrong in most ways, on a personal level too.

Only major difference between Armstrong and Pogacar is that even Armstrong didnt want to do enough doping to crush the classics, Giro and Tour in the same season.

Not really. Vingebot is way more like Lance. Both had to overcome huge obstacles ( Lance - cancer, Vingo - the fish factory) and then all of a sudden destroy the whole peloton overnight. Also just like Lance, Vingo only focuses on the TDF (less tests to cheat). Now, after the blood bags on Monday and a " dramatic" victory next Sunday with a punctured lung and some broken ribs, I fully expect a speech like " I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles..."

 

[BullsFan22]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1812159235272138907

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1812159235272138907

Well, as the one of the replies in that thread states, the riders in today’s stage had two hours less of riding and an easier parcours. That has to account for something, doesn’t it?

 

[Rackham]

I feel like anyone who is fine with the performances of Pog or Vinge (their respective fanbases essentially) has no right whatsoever to then accuse the other of dopage.

I mean come on now, behave.

Combloux happened. It automatically disqualifies Vinge fans from accusing Pog & Gianetti from doing clinical stuff whilst pretending Vinge rides around France all pure & innocent.

They're both cut from the same cloth.

 

[Heston]

Not really. Vingebot is way more like Lance. Both had to overcome huge obstacles ( Lance - cancer, Vingo - the fish factory) and then all of a sudden destroy the whole peloton overnight. Also just like Lance, Vingo only focuses on the TDF (less tests to cheat). Now, after the blood bags on Monday and a " dramatic" victory next Sunday with a punctured lung and some broken ribs, I fully expect a speech like " I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles..."

So just to be clear. You think its more suspect to dominate 1 race in a year than to dominate every race the whole year? Thats some weird coping logic.

Not sure what you're on about with the fish factory stuff, but it has nothing to do with reality. Having a part time job to afford your cycling career as a U23 rider on a local team while dominating U23 races is fairly normal.

Pretending he walked straight from a factory into winning the Tour just shows that you dont care about the truth.

 

[nilfen]

Not really. Vingebot is way more like Lance. Both had to overcome huge obstacles ( Lance - cancer, Vingo - the fish factory) and then all of a sudden destroy the whole peloton overnight. Also just like Lance, Vingo only focuses on the TDF (less tests to cheat). Now, after the blood bags on Monday and a " dramatic" victory next Sunday with a punctured lung and some broken ribs, I fully expect a speech like " I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles..."

Why do you keep on brining Vingegaard up in a Pogacar-thread? Seems like you are trying to excuse Pogacar by pointing fingers. No matter who else is riding in the peloton, what we are seeing this year is beyond ridiculous and is ruining cycling!

 

[Rackham]

He is literally sprinting up the mountain like pantani and armstrong on alpe ventoux. We watch that footage 15 years down the line and we say, how did everybody didn't know, that they were doped?

Maybe we will say the same about days like today

I think Vingegaard was the greatest thing to ever happen to Tadej Pogačar.

The fact he's got a rival following the exact same life philosophy in "how to really win a bike race" makes all his otherworldly performances an easier sell.

Pog kicked down a barn door in 2020, Visma followed with Vinge & now both feed off each other. LPdBF, Grand-Bornand, Granon, Combloux & now Pla d'Adet, i.e. all ridiculous, all completely nonsensical but now all totally accepted by cycling followers because of the 'duel' between these riders.

 

[Heston]

Why do you keep on brining Vingegaard up in a Pogacar-thread? Seems like you are trying to excuse Pogacar by pointing fingers. No matter who else is riding in the peloton, what we are seeing this year is beyond ridiculous and is ruining cycling!

Because even they know that Gianetti's boy has had the most ridiculous season of any cyclist since Eddy Merckx. Deflection is their only tactic.