Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[fbjim]

The cycling media is just in their usual cycle of making crap up to talk about, between literally talking about a banned Cyclingnews poster, and talking about "balls" for an unhealthy amount of time.

 

[fbjim]

I'm glad that, by the way, we have found the true villain of this race: Derek Gee.

 

[SHAD0W93]

so is Lance correct then, is Pogacar going to start being hated for winning too much? because i haven't seen it yet. Eurosport and NBC are calling him the greatest cyclist ever with no doping insinuations. maybe you can cite a random Romanian sports website or something that is writing critical articles about him?

I think he has an extra one to two years due to losing the Tour the last two years. NBC might never get on board since they did it begrudgingly against Armstrong.

 

[GuntherL1]

Idk about doping and other stuff which is not allowed, but it is pretty clear that Pog is just maybe the most talented cyclist ever.

After he joined UAE. Before that, not so much.

 

[zlev11]

The cycling media is just in their usual cycle of making crap up to talk about, between literally talking about a banned Cyclingnews poster, and talking about "balls" for an unhealthy amount of time.

i just miss the days when the TDF yellow jersey was so annoyed that he started calling one of France's most reputable sports publications "the gutter press"

 

[fbjim]

Derek "Iban Mayo" Gee is going to get a fake positive test done on him soon for blatantly showing up the patron with his spectacular rides.

 

[noob]

I think he has an extra one to two years due to losing the Tour the last two years. NBC might never get on board since they did it begrudgingly against Armstrong.

This. Jonas and Pog both saved by their crashes, ironically! If they continue switching winner every 2 years they are more likely to be saved from scrutiny.

 

[Monoxidator]

I think he has an extra one to two years due to losing the Tour the last two years. NBC might never get on board since they did it begrudgingly against Armstrong.

NBC is an American outlet, don't underestimate the bias in that. Slovenia is a tiny country with a shady doping reputation and no political power.

 

[fbjim]

yeah as opposed to Danish cycling's sterling doping reputation

 

[noob]

NBC is an American outlet, don't underestimate the bias in that. Slovenia is a tiny country with a shady doping reputation and no political power.

Slovenia has no political power, but I wouldn't be so sure about Dubai

 

[zlev11]

NBC is an American outlet, don't underestimate the bias in that. Slovenia is a tiny country with a shady doping reputation and no political power.

nah all of these top three are solidified as da GOATs and this is just how it's supposed to be now.

if beating a Pantani EPO time by 4 minutes barely registers then nothing will.

 

[Monoxidator]

yeah as opposed to Danish cycling's sterling doping reputation

The USA is as full of cheating athletes as any other country. Remember "Project World Record" for the 100 meter dash, sponsored and led by Victor Conte, the founder of Balco Labs? If allowed, nations will definitely participate in doping arms races. And the more political clout and money, the more they are allowed to get away with. While Dubai may have some power, team UAE is not in the olympics.

 

[zlev11]

wonder if Daniel Lloyd will bring this up at some point? since he likes posting outrageous Pogacar stats for twitter engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814352481154904359

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1814352481154904359


7 minutes? yeah the stage was much easier (with the same exact last 120k), but 7 minutes??? on two of the foremost EPO pioneers.

 

[repoman]

Do people actually think the current generation is dumber than the ones who grew up worshiping Lance Armstrong and Marco Pantani

WAY dumber.

 

[meat puppet]

Do people actually think the current generation is dumber than the ones who grew up worshiping Lance Armstrong and Marco Pantani

Depends on the angle but I would say yes. Also more cynical, in the clueless kind of way.

 

[Tim Cahill]

They won't do Gee, too marketable

Real villain here will be some random Petrolike rider or a token low level Italian guy self-medicating, a lone wolf

 

[zlev11]

tbf the people worshipping Lance were 99% American with no context of the sport so i would say they were actually way dumber. but cycling fans on the whole, absolutely not.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

That's because traditionally you had to be good at TTs as well to be competitive in the Tour. This new phenomenon of small, featherweight riders like Pogacar, Vingegaard and Remco cranking out faster flat TTs than the big, tanky specialists is indicative of some next-level alien mutant gear being used. How the f*** are they producing all those watts?

One of the best time trialists of all times is Bernard Hinault, Hinault was like a cm shorter and a kg lighter than Pogacar. If you take the PCS data, than Hinault is basically the lightest of the all time greats.

 

[Monoxidator]

Lance going hard at Pogi in his podcast, wow. He said, "I don't want to know" lol.

 

[Rackham]

tbf the people worshipping Lance were 99% American with no context of the sport so i would say they were actually way dumber. but cycling fans on the whole, absolutely not.

Sky had nouveau Brits who'd never watched a bike race before (Chris Boardman was long since forgotten) fight tooth & nail for the 'believability' of Wiggins & Froome.

New fans who want superheroes, naïve fans who believe in miracles, chauvinistic fans who back their own national heroes & biased fans who think their guy is the Mr Cleanz of cycling whilst the guys who beat him are filthy cheats.

That's the usual patchwork of those who get agitated at doping allegations against their favorite riders.

I mean why can't we just call a spade a spade? Visma & UAE treat fans like suckers... & they're by & large absolutely spot on. It's an easy sell when 'disbelievers' are labelled grouchy party-poopers.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Lance going hard at Pogi in his podcast, wow. He said, "I don't want to know" lol.

That might actually work in Pogis advantage, you can frame it as Lance he super-narcissist just being unable to understand the new times and wanting to *** on everybody.

 

[Salvarani]

wonder if Daniel Lloyd will bring this up at some point? since he likes posting outrageous Pogacar stats for twitter engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814352481154904359

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1814352481154904359


7 minutes? yeah the stage was much easier (with the same exact last 120k), but 7 minutes??? on two of the foremost EPO pioneers.

Over 30 years ago. Yawn.

Things get better and improve naturally. It is just the evolution of everything.

 

[Rackham]

wonder if Daniel Lloyd will bring this up at some point? since he likes posting outrageous Pogacar stats for twitter engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814352481154904359

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1814352481154904359


7 minutes? yeah the stage was much easier (with the same exact last 120k), but 7 minutes??? on two of the foremost EPO pioneers.

Rogla > Rominger confirmed.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

wonder if Daniel Lloyd will bring this up at some point? since he likes posting outrageous Pogacar stats for twitter engagement.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814352481154904359

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1814352481154904359


7 minutes? yeah the stage was much easier (with the same exact last 120k), but 7 minutes??? on two of the foremost EPO pioneers.

If Gee takes 4, he might as well take 7. I guess.

But the differences are so astronomical in comparison with the 90ies right now. I mean how do guys who were around for a while in the "clean" age cope with this. I am looking at Thomas e.g., who pushed his best ever watts last year and was around when 6.0 watts/kg for 30 minutes would get you pretty far, now Georg Zimmerman is saying that's his level.

I mean: if you teleport Pogacar in say the 2013 Tour, he wins by 30 minutes probably, doing 3 100km+ solos along the way. To me that one hears so little out of the Peloton about this is a clear indication that the new stuff is widespread.

 

[Monoxidator]

If Gee takes 4, he might as well take 7. I guess.

But the differences are so astronomical in comparison with the 90ies right now. I mean how do guys who were around for a while in the "clean" age cope with this. I am looking at Thomas e.g., who pushed his best ever watts last year and was around when 6.0 watts/kg for 30 minutes would get you pretty far, now Georg Zimmerman is saying that's his level.

I mean: if you teleport Pogacar in say the 2013 Tour, he wins by 30 minutes probably, doing 3 100km+ solos along the way. To me that one hears so little out of the Peloton about this is a clear indication that the new stuff is widespread.

I think a lot of riders are using altitude and Spanish privacy laws to mask blood manipulation ... but it's degrees. For the rich teams they're doing it to a much larger extent.