Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Barnacle Bill]

It's funny thinking back to those years where a climbing record would come up and it would be something from the 90s that you knew the current riders wouldn't get close to, like the records of Flo-Jo etc in athletics. A memory from a darker time, that the commentators would try to avoid mentioning.

But the way things have changed in the last few years, with bike tech and porridge, they'll all be obliterated in due course.

 

[Monoxidator]

It's funny thinking back to those years where a climbing record would come up and it would be something from the 90s that you knew the current riders wouldn't get close to, like the records of Flo-Jo etc in athletics. A memory from a darker time, that the commentators would try to avoid mentioning.

But the way things have changed in the last few years, with bike tech and porridge, they'll all be obliterated in due course.

Rolled oats are that much better than Wheaties I guess.

 

[noob]

Listening to Lance now

 

[armchairclimber]

Ah plus ca change.

I think the main obvious difference between Lance and Pog, is that one has oodles of charm and the other is a ***. This might explain why people are prepared to shrug their shoulders and watch the fun.

 

[Monoxidator]

Ah plus ca change.

I think the main obvious difference between Lance and Pog, is that one has oodles of charm and the other is a ***. This might explain why people are prepared to shrug their shoulders and watch the fun.

Lance is actually pretty charismatic and always has been. He's charismatic in that *** jock, type-a personality way, someone that would definitely participate in bullying. But he's pretty fun to listen to at the same time.

 

[armchairclimber]

Lance is actually pretty charismatic and always has been. He's charismatic in that *** jock, type-a personality way, someone that would definitely participate in bullying. But he's pretty fun to listen to at the same time.

Well, I'm a subscriber now because he/they have unique insights. And, as he says. He has changed his views. He's entertaining in the same way as Clarkson is entertaining.... but only because they have a Hincapie/James May in the room. I'm watching now and I think he is right.
And maybe Pogacar's charm won't carry him too far now.

 

[Monoxidator]

Pogi doesn't seem like the brightest kid, I think it would be fairly easy to trip him up into spilling something ... like asking him "Others have noted what a big difference altitude training makes. Once you got to 60% HC with all your altitude training, what kind of difference did that make to your performance?"

 

[noob]

Lance is actually pretty charismatic and always has been. He's charismatic in that *** jock, type-a personality way, someone that would definitely participate in bullying. But he's pretty fun to listen to at the same time.

His antihero self deprecating narc image is interesting. Yes very very jock.

 

[noob]

Pogi doesn't seem like the brightest kid, I think it would be fairly easy to trip him up into spilling something ... like asking him "Others have noted what a big difference altitude training makes. Once you got to 60% HC with all your altitude training, what kind of difference did that make to your performance?"

If he isn't the brightest it means he can be on stuff he has no idea about :O

 

[Monoxidator]

If he isn't the brightest it means he can be on stuff he has no idea about :O

Of course, but he would still likely know his blood numbers. His doctors probably talk about nothing else.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogi doesn't seem like the brightest kid, I think it would be fairly easy to trip him up into spilling something ... like asking him "Others have noted what a big difference altitude training makes. Once you got to 60% HC with all your altitude training, what kind of difference did that make to your performance?"

I don't know what is HC. Do you mean HC climbs? After 60% of them the difference is still small as it's the start of my attack. Porridge is crucial to my performance BTW.

 

[zlev11]

just watched the new LanceCast, it's clear they're all just butthurt because an American was on the receiving end today. i dunno if they would've reacted so strongly if it was someone else.

 

[Monoxidator]

just watched the new LanceCast, it's clear they're all just butthurt because an American was on the receiving end today. i dunno if they would've reacted so strongly if it was someone else.

I read it as the WADA / USADA angle but you could be right.

 

[noob]

just watched the new LanceCast, it's clear they're all just butthurt because an American was on the receiving end today. i dunno if they would've reacted so strongly if it was someone else.

That was my thought too. I guess reasons can be both but they can easily be ignored as just dissapointed patriots on top of just being Lance

 

[noob]

I read it as the WADA / USADA angle but you could be right.

wada/usada angle?

 

[Nick2413]

I doubt the riders themselves know much about what’s going on. Too dangerous. You have to assume even a Pogacar will eventually be in a vulnerable position where there’s incentive to talk. Obviously they’ll know some bare minimums, but not necessarily much more.

 

[E_F_]

My God the comments under that video are so awful!

Really makes me hope the Pogster and his Emiratis get busted ASAP just for the tears.

 

[pastronef]

just imagine if Vingo didn't crash and came 100% and Pog had to go berzerk to try to distance him and go beyond his limits and fall to the ground after the line gasping for air. just imagine today or Beille. my god

 

[Divergence]

I honestly do not know what to believe anymore. I was kinda sure they were all on the good stuff but when I see Pogi ride I think he is just that good. I mean, it is kinda presumptuous maybe even arrogant to assume training and nutrition cannot move forward (even to the extend of bringing an increment of 0.5W/kg). It seems to me, every day more and more, that it is possible that they are all clean"ish". Maybe some microdosing but even that I question now. Otherwise Pogi would not be so reckless.

I doubt the riders themselves know much about what’s going on. Too dangerous. You have to assume even a Pogacar will eventually be in a vulnerable position where there’s incentive to talk. Obviously they’ll know some bare minimums, but not necessarily much more.

Do you really think that a rider would not know if he is taking illegal or questionable stuff? I mean, Pogi does not look like the brightest build in the box but he would surely know.

 

[burning]

just watched the new LanceCast, it's clear they're all just butthurt because an American was on the receiving end today. i dunno if they would've reacted so strongly if it was someone else.

I wouldn't put too much stock on Lance tbh, but would be more interested hear from Bruyneel.

 

[Stablo]

I´ve heard Pog shared a steak with Contador before the tour.
Anyway.. if they don´t do anything against something this obvious, then I might take a long break like I did in the late Armstrong era.. no point in watching this, its unbelieable and boring.

My thoughts exactly, this is getting beyond ridicilous(again). And I thought the Froome era was bad. The season Poggie has had is beyond anything I have seen in all these years (closing to 30 years now)following procycling. The fanjerking going around is also super annoying, cause this is so freaking obvious. You don't even have to think about the men behind the team, just look at the performances&level on every single race this doped to the gills monster enters(in every disclipine also).

 

[Tim Cahill]

The more you listen to Lance the more you realise he was just a heaping vehicle of sociopathic ambition which Ferrari and Bruyneel carefully pointed in the right direction and pressed 'go'. Without these guys behind him he would be dropping pensioners in weekend triathlons, torturing wild animals and picking up coins off the side of the road for a living. The man is a moron. The Liz Truss of cycling.

 

[ontheroad]

Ah plus ca change.

I think the main obvious difference between Lance and Pog, is that one has oodles of charm and the other is a ***. This might explain why people are prepared to shrug their shoulders and watch the fun.

Lance definitely had charisma as well, he had a huge personality, it just wasn’t a very pleasant one. He still has that steely eyed look and a face full of anger.

Pogacar is probably the most charismatic rider since then but in a much more playful innocent way. The fact that Lance was exhorting Pogacar to stop attacking to try and make it more believable and curry favour with other riders, media and fans, yet Pog just said sod that and produced another thermo nuclear attack, just show the different sides to their personality.

Lance was cold, cunning and calculated and he used the cancer as a shield. I don’t think Pogacar has that level of devious in him but he has the might of an oil state behind him. He is now too big to bring down as he could well be the only rider to transcend the sport since Lance.

 

[GuntherL1]

Armstrong: "Don't give them a reason to question you;" He knows.

 

[Nick2413]

Do you really think that a rider would not know if he is taking illegal or questionable stuff? I mean, Pogi does not look like the brightest build in the box but he would surely know.

No doubt they know they’re doping. All the fine details of exact substances, doses, etc might be more obscured.