Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-notes-love-of-gp-montreal-winner-from-rivals

"It’s easy to respect someone who is as transparent and authentic as Pogacar is. I think this is something this new generation of champions is doing very well."

Says Tom Danielson ...

 

[Mayomaniac]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-notes-love-of-gp-montreal-winner-from-rivals


Says Tom Danielson ...

As credible as Danielson's climbing records on big US climbs...

 

[Extinction]

The only reason he didn't go on to win the Vuelta too, was to not make it so obvious as to have repercussions. They knew they were walking a fine line.

 

[Salvarani]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-notes-love-of-gp-montreal-winner-from-rivals


Says Tom Danielson ...

Shoutout to Tom. Good guy.

 

[Cookster15]

The only reason Vingegaard didn't go on to win the Vuelta too, was to not make it so obvious as to have repercussions. They knew they were walking a fine line.

Redacted. This is more your doper is worse than my doper stuff. Can we remind you that Vingegaard was glowing in the dark at Combloux. In June 2021 nobody knew who he was.

 

[Extinction]

Redacted. This is more your doper is worse than my doper stuff. Can we remind you that Vingegaard was glowing in the dark at Combloux. In June 2021 nobody knew who he was.

Tadej/Gianetti-Matxin took things up to a new and appalling level this season.

 

[Salvarani]

Resurrecting a guy who spent weeks in hospital to be at his best level ever a couple of months later is way more appalling. Talk about crazy stuff! Dont even want to know what they gave him and that is after the most doped performance ever at Combloux a year earlier.

 

[solo80k]

SGF-1000 is currently on the menu for top cyclist according to Cycling Highlights. He's not talking names but obviously you can make your conclusion about potential suspects.

 

[yaco]

SGF-1000 is currently on the menu for top cyclist according to Cycling Highlights. He's not talking names but obviously you can make your conclusion about potential suspects.

Is this product on the WADA banned list? If not, it's a non-issue at the moment.

 

[Rob5091]

Is this product on the WADA banned list? If not, it's a non-issue at the moment.

Banned for horses apparently - https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/FBI_activity_at_company_producing_Servis_drug_of_choice_123
Of course places like the UAE where "Godolphin is the largest thoroughbred horse racing and bloodstock operation in the world." should not have a problem obtaining it.

 

[E_F_]

Take a seat worm blood, the sheep placentas have arrived.


"She also criticized him for falsely billing horse owners for the expense of the drugs by claiming they were paying for “Acupuncture & Chiropractic” care." https://apnews.com/article/maximumsecurity-servis-trainer-horses-0feafec8c308ebdb891f7e2389f52a71

New marginal gains???

 

[Extinction]

Resurrecting a guy who spent weeks in hospital to be at his best level ever a couple of months later is way more appalling. Talk about crazy stuff! Dont even want to know what they gave him and that is after the most doped performance ever at Combloux a year earlier.

I'd say what Gianetti-Matxin engineered with Tadej throughout the course of this entire season is by far the most appalling and repugnant thing we've seen to date. 33% improvement in the mountains, almost 14 minutes better against Jonas, who, despite his terrible incident, still put up his best numbers and yet lost by 6'17". Who knows what Teddy's been given, but with who's behind it (and the journos are strangely silent on emphasizing this point) they are ruining the sport.

 

[Salvarani]

I'd say what Gianetti-Matxin engineered with Tadej throughout the course of this entire season is by far the most appalling and repugnant thing we've seen to date. 33% improvement in the mountains, almost 14 minutes better against Jonas, who, despite his terrible incident, still put up his best numbers and yet lost by 6'17". Who knows what Teddy's been given, but with who's behind it (and the journos are strangely silent on emphasizing this point) they are ruining the sport.

Still not more insane than what Visma must have given Vinge to go from hospital to best level in Tour! Talk about ruining the sport.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Still not more insane than what Visma must have given Vinge to go from hospital to best level in Tour! Talk about ruining the sport.

It's obviously ridiculous what Visma does with vingeggard, but if you're a Pogacar fan who want Pogacar to seem clean, the little competition that Jonas offered in the first half of the tour helped your case.

If Visma didn't get Vingegard rocket fueled for the race, more people would be complaining about Pogacar ridiculous dominance and his obvious doping

 

[Rob5091]

This SGF 1000 story is crazy (but then again some of those EPO stories were wild stuff).
The court case against Jorge Navarro, Nicholas Surick and Jason Servis and some 30 others (!) which brought to light SGF 1000 in the horse racing world has produced also some other interesting things -
"regular" clenbuterol and "other" clenbuterol - https://paulickreport.com/news/the-...new-wiretap-evidence-in-the-federal-drug-case

It's never specified what the difference is between the two, but regulators have reported finding compounded clenbuterol in the course of investigations which is designed to be significantly more potent (ten times more potent, in some cases) than the commercially-available, Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved version.

The investigation "bled over" -

When drug adulteration and misbranding charges were first announced against 27 defendants in March 2020, prosecutors said (rather cryptically) that those March arrests were the fruit of a different investigation that had bled over into horse racing.

"real EPO" and "generic EPO" -

Navarro assured Surick that the "real EPO" (as opposed to "generic EPO" also referenced by the two men) would be testable for three days. At four days, regulators would "see a cloud but they don't know what the *** it is ... Now five days, you are good. Now with the one here, they can't find anything." Fishman also boasted that one of his products, a blood builder, had been given to a horse in New Jersey who was out-of-competition tested 12 hours later. The test sample was sent to a laboratory in Hong Kong, and the test came back negative.

"mind-blowing declaration" -
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/oth...erapy-here-s-why-that-s-a-problem/ar-AA1ql6b6

The optics of someone responsible for managing doping control tests declaring an unregulated, compounded subject benign – despite having limited assurance of what’s really in it – while knowing it’s one of the most hot-button substances at the center of a then-active federal criminal investigation into doping of horses is mind-blowing.

So what's actually in SGF 1000?

Court files have never revealed any documents authored by its maker, Medivet, about what actually was in it, if not the previously-touted growth factors.

Some reports from labs gave, “ovine transforming growth factor-beta”, “hepatocyte growth factor,” “fibroblast growth factor” and evidence of , "acepromazine, levamisole, detomidine, pyrilamine, lidocaine, MEGX, xylazine, and caffeine."

 

[Extinction]

Still not more insane than what Visma must have given Vinge to go from hospital to best level in Tour! Talk about ruining the sport.

In my book, Tadej's 33% better climbing at the Tour trumps all.

 

[Salvarani]

In my book, Tadej's 33% better climbing at the Tour trumps all.

Nope, been referenced why. Even before the season started.

Your 33% is just taking the piss with statistics as well. He is not 33% better in real life.

And Vinge raising his numbers with no info and coming from the hospital is way more insane.

 

[Extinction]

Still not more insane than what Visma must have given Vinge to go from hospital to best level in Tour! Talk about ruining the sport.

The math is not an opinion. Pogacar's numbers say it all.

 

[Salvarani]

The numbers from a rider who was in a hospital for weeks is way more telling. Just after a year of the most ridiculous performance of all time as well.

 

[Andre]

Is there any hope that these drugs will soon be detected and the criminals punished?

 

[Rob5091]

Is there any hope that these drugs will soon be detected and the criminals punished?

30 + people have been punished in the horse racing world (and apparently it crossed over too into dressage) but SGF 1000 was designed for horses, so some tinkering has to been done to make it a "rocket fuel" or recovery "help" for the peloton. The timeline for the use of SGF 1000 seems to match the increasing speed of the peloton, but detectable? Well, the court case was mainly based on intercepted telephone calls so I think it will take a whistleblower or, as per normal in pro-cycling & drugbusting, a police raid.

 

[pastronef]

SGF-1000 is currently on the menu for top cyclist according to Cycling Highlights. He's not talking names but obviously you can make your conclusion about potential suspects.

CyclingHighlights, the guy saying this or that rider was Piccolo's team mate, that rider's is Frank VDB son in law (Merlier) etc etc. that rider was in a breakaway with a busted rider, etc etc
it's laughable. I know twitter and forums are there to be wild, but stupid takes like those just give away the fact he's ready to accuse or hint at anyone without proof.
and this new product he talks about is for horses, not even on Wada's list

 

[solo80k]

and this new product he talks about is for horses, not even on Wada's list

That's why we'll be soon talking about hp instead of W/kg output. 😜

 

[Extinction]

Why doesn't Pog (or any of these guys) post his VO2 max? The reason is so obvious as to be absurd.

 

[Cookster15]

Just after a year of the most ridiculous performance of all time as well.

Yep, Combloux TT. Absolutely ridiculous.