Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Coffeeplanter]

Roubaix this year was the first time I ever turned off the television due to too much of a lack of suspense. It's looking likely I won't even turn on the tv next week.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Pogi did his first ascent of San Luca in 5:32. At the Tour, he and Vingegaard did 5:29. We're in October, six days after a 100-kilometer solo effort to win the World's on a terribly hard parcours, and the weather is terrible. And yet Pogi is only three seconds slower than he was on stage two of a Grand Tour. That's just laughable. We cannot do anything but laugh at this point. This sport is dead to me right now.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Only started winning after joining UAE.

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah, cycling is going again to a dark place, Pogi is doped to the gills, everybody knows that but don't come here saying he is not talented. That's just a stupid argument.

 

[Salvarani]

Simply just better than everybody

Amazing talent

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

You are joking, right? Del Toro won a World Tour stage at age 19 on his second-ever race day as a neo-pro. Hirschi has eight this season. Ayuso has placed in the top-five in two of his three Grand Tour-starts.

 

[Froome]

Calling Pogacar Tiktok Armstrong was unwarranted.

Sorry Lance

How about Tik tok Ricardo Ricco?

 

[Red Rick]

How about Tik tok Ricardo Ricco?

I like Riccardo. I would never do him like that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I wouldn't be able to tell how talented cause this kind of gap can only happen because of outdoping everyone harder than ever happened or because of motors.

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

 

[Froome]

This what you get when he is doing and he is physiological better than everybody else. We already have a lot of dopers, probably in a better doping program compared to his rivals (Indurain, LA, Froome, Contador) but the gap was way more leaner for their rivals. This gigantic gap is not explained only by doping, it can't be.
Pogacar was always a huge talent and he became an even better responder

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You are joking, right? Del Toro won a World Tour stage at age 19 on his second-ever race day as a neo-pro. Hirschi has eight this season. Ayuso has placed in the top-five in two of his three Grand Tour-starts.

Pogacar was a TdF winner before turning 22 years old and had a podium in the Vuelta too. Are you really trying to compare Pogacar’s palmares and specially performances to all 3 I mentioned? Do you need to wait 3/4 years to understand I am right or do you really think Ayuso or Del Toro will win the Tour in the next 2 seasons?

 

[AmRacer]

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

3112211
That's the number of the GOAT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You don't have data to prove he is physiological better than the other top guys.

You don't have any proof he is doping.

 

[solo80k]

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

No need to share these sweet secrets with everyone in the team. His most trusted lieutenants like Novak, Yates or Majka can have a partial knowledge about his preparations but I doubt they wish to spill the beans anytime soon.

 

[Froome]

3112211
That's the number of the GOAT.

Thanks. I am going to take that number and do a call to Merckx.

 

[Froome]

You don't have any proof he is doping.

I believe in you, since you said a couple minutes ago, he is in a doping programm.

 

[peterfin]

We either are watching that once in a hundred years talent that is now so perfectly tuned and supported by so much money that the Merckx era will be nothing in comparison or we watch a fake freak show that make Lance look good in comparison. The second is a 1000x more likely but in either case pro cycling is doomed. The fact that it is yearly confronted with deadly accidents, even in official WC races makes it even worse.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I believe in you, since you said a couple minutes ago, he is in a doping programm.

Thanks, so you believe also he is more talented than other riders, right?

 

[GuntherL1]

Everyone is. He is more talented and has better resources to dope

He's not more talented. Check his pre-UAE results.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I wouldn't buy ice cream from this guy.

Oh come on, I'm sure his gelateria is just fine and the ice cream is probably yummi - is the shop still even open? I'd visit just for *** and giggles, it would be like visiting a legend of sorts.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Why all other UAE riders can't have his palmares? Hirschi, Del Toro, Ayuso, etc

@GuntherL1

 

[Krzysztof_O]

As for the topic: Teddy is by far the strongest he's ever been in this part of the season (having ridden two GTs), no fatigue after the season or his WC ride. It seems porridge for breakfast works really well and since the Tour he's not reduced its quantity. Lombardy won't be nice for his rivals.

 

[Tim Cahill]

At least Ricco was funny, we haven't have a good funny-doper in a while, Horner the last? Froome was in like 2011/12 for a bit, I vividly recall everyone egging him on to attack Wiggo.

 

[Red Rick]

I think I already pointed out your hypocrisy after the Tour but will do it again. When you hero was the reigning Tour champion you were indifferent regarding doping saying everybody does it but you suddenly changed into an anti-doping advocate since he lost. I'm curious what happens if Vingo wins the next years Tour: probably guys are back to level playing field and it's all fair again, right?

In 2023 I think it wasn't that implausible to assume there was a modicum of parity between Vingegaard and Pogacar. In 2024 there it actually is implausible to consider that there is a modicum of parity between Pogacar and anyone else in terms of doping.

 

[Froome]

Thanks, so you believe also he is more talented than other riders, right?

Yes, he is more talented than the other UAE riders.