Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[E_F_]

So Pogacar's bike would be inspected more than any other rider. And nobody can hide a motor from a trained mechanic. The cyclocross case was very amateurish .

Obviously any mechanic could find any motor in a bike. You're not arguing your case well, by attacking such a silly position. Femke's motor was indeed very amateurish, though I must say, I would draw a very different conclusion from that, if I were to draw any conclusions: We still haven't seen them catch an even slightly sophisticated motor.

 

[veganrob]

If Sky were caught using motors, there would have been uproar whereas if Pog was caught with a motor they'd probably call it tactical nous. Has Pog given gifts of motors to the kids?

Maybe you missed the memo several years ago. Brits don't cheat.

 

[Extinction]

As far as motors go, technology is the double-edged sword of the modern world, in many cases a veritable Pandora's Box; while a sport as mechanical as cycling is a natural outlet for such curses to be unleashed on the activity, along with biological and genetic doping. I've heard rumors that pro races have already been won with a motor. Having said that, naturally proof needs to come out for a difinitive conclusion. Unfortunately, however, if the technology is there and cannot be detected, then it will be weaponized in competition. Now those are big ifs, but only a fool, given the history of the sport, would categorically deny the possibility of such technology being developed to try and buck the system and gain an edge. This is especially the case when you have a guy like Gianetti at the helm with generous Arab funding backing the team and Formula 1 as well. I'm just saying to deny the plausibility of the scenario would be unwise. Need proof, yes, but trust them, no way.

 

[Casual cyclist]

Apparently, there is now talk about Teddy riding Roubaix this year. Would be hilarious if he rode and won it. Recall that it is supposed to be a classic flat race favoring "big guys" etc. etc. Would be fun to see another standard cycling wisdom go down the drain. Teddy will ride it on 40mm tires looking totally at ease the whole way and we will hear some more about how amazingly efficient motorcycle size tires are in spite of their weight and the cross section area facing the wind. Of course, they are efficient... for someone riding a motorcycle.

Guys, sorry for the silly auto-quote but the title of today's main article on Cyclingnews really cracked me up. It goes like "Lab tested: 40mm road tires are faster for nearly everyone." When I wrote the above a few weeks ago, I deliberately exaggerated a bit. But I guess, in this ahaha era, you have to make a joke to guess the truth. So we should indeed look for Ted, the speed racer, to show up in PR with moto size tires. Looks like they upgraded his "smart" assist for this season.

 

[MartinGT]

I love how the sycophants coo over Gianetti and totally dismiss his past.

 

[Mayomaniac]

At least we can be sure that brain-doping isn't what UAE are doing...

 

[E_F_]

At least we can be sure that brain-doping isn't what UAE are doing...

I have to say, if UAE managed to produce a humonculus DS I might change my mind about doping.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I have to say, if UAE managed to produce a humonculus DS I might change my mind about doping.

The Slovenian Brat doesn't really listen to the DS, that was actually confirmed by one of them last year.

 

[Unchained]

At least we can be sure that brain-doping isn't what UAE are doing...

Wow!! Guy racing against 2 superior sprinters, tried to jump MVP multiple times, without result and when he decided to regroup and wait for sprint, made an additional miscalculation and the respite he needed was also the opportunity for Ganna to grab on..
and just as Pogacar had guessed he was the 3rd best sprinter in the group.
All three riders rode absolutely brilliant!!
In bike racing someone loses every race. Hardly anything wrong with his processing.. The reality is UAE and Pogacar were only out raced in 289 kilometers by 2 riders.

 

[Stablo]

The reality is UAE and Pogacar were only out raced in 289 kilometers by 2 riders.

And this is exactly why we are even talking about this in the clinic. The UAE, Poggie and Gianetti combo is the worse we have seen in professional cycling since Bruyneel, Pharmastrong and US Postal. Today was great racing, but brings the WWE-flavour in to it. If last season wasn't an eye opener, so what about the Strade this year 🤌😂with that crash and still vroom vroom magic, give me a freaking break. Made me a bit angry that today they had the nerves to interview vampire-Gianetti right after the arrival, like what the hell 🤯everything forgotten...[content deleted]. Imho Poggie is just one of the downfalls, likely not the most dangerous, but still for a fan very annoying.

 

[GuntherL1]

And this is exactly why we are even talking about this in the clinic. The UAE, Poggie and Gianetti combo is the worse we have seen in professional cycling since Bruyneel, Pharmastrong and US Postal. Today was great racing, but brings the WWE-flavour in to it. If last season wasn't an eye opener, so what about the Strade this year 🤌😂with that crash and still vroom vroom magic, give me a freaking break. Made me a bit angry that today they had the nerves to interview vampire-Gianetti right after the arrival, like what the hell 🤯everything forgotten...[deleted content]. Imho Poggie is just one of the downfalls, likely not the most dangerous, but still for a fan very annoying.

Your post has a few valid points, although Pogacar is much worse than Armstrong. There's no comparison. Armstrong never won a monument and won very little outside of the TdF. Your rant about social media makes no sense. Was there much criticism of Armstrong during his reign? Did the media ask many questions during Gilberts miracle year (2011)? Did they investigate why the climbing times in the mid nineties improved by minutes? Journalists seldom challenge the powerful.

 

[E_F_]

Your post has a few valid points, although Pogacar is much worse than Armstrong. There's no comparison. Armstrong never won a monument and won very little outside of the TdF. Your rant about social media makes no sense. Was there much criticism of Armstrong during his reign? Did the media ask many questions during Gilberts miracle year (2011)? Did they investigate why the climbing times in the mid nineties improved by minutes? Journalists seldom challenge the powerful.

The thing is... They did. Some of them at least. I don't think Armstrong would have been taken down without journalistic pressure? With Gilbert you have more of a point.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Teddy finally lost a race. Paniagua, guys.

 

[romanzat]

well it's been a while. investigation into Varjas, the French police, Vildary, etc etc. nothing, zero. we can almost say medical doping was there to be seen, and positives came, and seizing came, and police busts came.
motors? zero. zilch, nada
microdising exists
motors? bah....

Are you familiar with the Norwegian team affair in ski jumping, not long ago. They were also checking their ski jumping suits all the time. But didn't find anything illegal.
Only when some insider have recorded Norwegian team is cheating with jumping suits, only then the federation quickly reacted and excluded them from the competition.

It is the same in cycling. Doping control, mechanical control will not find anything.
Only the police or insiders can show us what is going on in UAE team. And I believe it is not nice for Pogacar fans.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Are you familiar with the Norwegian team affair in ski jumping, not long ago. They were also checking their ski jumping suits all the time. But didn't find anything illegal.
Only when some insider have recorded Norwegian team is cheating with jumping suits, only then the federation quickly reacted and excluded them from the competition.

It is the same in cycling. Doping control, mechanical control will not find anything.
Only the police or insiders can show us what is going on in UAE team. And I believe it is not nice for Pogacar fans.

Everyone is doping however Pogacar must be a better responder to something new they are using. Dude keeps improving and improving!

 

[romanzat]

His engine going from 1,9 TDI 105 HP to Audi 6.0 l V12 TDI engine

Tadej Pogačar - Prijavim.se

Tadej Pogačar - Prijavim.se

prijavim.se

 

[E_F_]

Dude keeps improving and improving!

The others do as well to be fair.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The others do as well to be fair.

I think the gap is getting bigger and bigger.

 

[E_F_]

I think the gap is getting bigger and bigger.

Yeah, that's for sure!

 

[Unchained]

And this is exactly why we are even talking about this in the clinic. The UAE, Poggie and Gianetti combo is the worse we have seen in professional cycling since Bruyneel, Pharmastrong and US Postal.

I think the gap is getting bigger and bigger.

But you mean outside the performance at MSR..right he played every card, in and out of the saddle, flat,downhill, uphill despite his best attacks couldn't ride racers uncoached by Giannetti, outside UAE..but both riders stayed with Pogacar's every move and beat him in the end.. So if his dominance is gaining distance, didn't in San Remo

 

[masking_agent]

And this is exactly why we are even talking about this in the clinic. The UAE, Poggie and Gianetti combo is the worse we have seen in professional cycling since Bruyneel, Pharmastrong and US Postal. Today was great racing, but brings the WWE-flavour in to it. If last season wasn't an eye opener, so what about the Strade this year 🤌😂with that crash and still vroom vroom magic, give me a freaking break. Made me a bit angry that today they had the nerves to interview vampire-Gianetti right after the arrival, like what the hell 🤯everything forgotten...[content deleted]. Imho Poggie is just one of the downfalls, likely not the most dangerous, but still for a fan very annoying.

well said , I agree. I think Poggi and Gianetti will break records and all UCI bodies will allow for it as we are in the politically correct climate of cycling journalism. I don't think i've heard a journalist asking any hard questions in press conferences anymore ? There certainly is no David Walsh anymore nor anyone like him to ask the difficult questions.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Teddy's rivals think he's in decent form. Even motorcycle comparison can be found! Oh wait...

"He looked like he was riding a motorcycle" - Tadej Pogacar's opponents left speechless after Slovenian's Cipressa raid

Thanks to Tadej Pogacar's raid, the long-standing record on the Cipressa was broken with first-ever ascent under 9 minutes. Two men - Mathieu van der Poel and Filippo Ganna - were able to follow but f...

cyclinguptodate.com

 

[Stablo]

Your post has a few valid points, although Pogacar is much worse than Armstrong. There's no comparison. Armstrong never won a monument and won very little outside of the TdF. Your rant about social media makes no sense. Was there much criticism of Armstrong during his reign? Did the media ask many questions during Gilberts miracle year (2011)? Did they investigate why the climbing times in the mid nineties improved by minutes? Journalists seldom challenge the powerful.

You are right that poggie is way more ridicilous than Pharmastrong. I meant the level of cheating, professionalism in it and the money invested is only rivalled by US Postal. Visma a few years back was close to that too, but still there wasn't one rider winning it all, with performances never seen before and always looking like on a Sunday ride. UAE with Gianetti seems to be head and shoulders above them all.

With the socialmedia I meant, that they have really carefully painted this golden sweetheart boy picture to even lesser the difficult questions and it allows the (blind) people to continue the fanjerking around these extraterrestial performances. In hindsight maybe Ricco would have gotten away with it, if the times would have been different and they would have planned it better image wise. Maybe even sweeping a positive test quitly under the carpet. We also have to remember, that Ricco made these super alien performances only a few times and still eyebrows started to rise right away. Teddy just keeps on doing it over and over again and it's just chapeau, nothing to see here. For what i remember there was a lot more questioning back in the days, now after covid there's very little anything.

I'm still super skeptic about the skipping of olympics too. That Urska explanation is just very lame, he was on monster form and the course really suited him, so you supposedly skip a very likely olympic gold cause your girlfriend wasn't chosen, give me a break. You might never get another chance, four years is a long time even for the monster and the course might be more sprinter friendly next time aswell. So the only explanation that still makes sense to me is, that it was skipped cause UCI can't control the tests in the olympics. Remember also the hustle and drama surrounding teddys bike after the most ridicilous WC performance of the history. Something shady is going on with UCI, their poster boy and all the petrodollars coming from the UAE.

 

[pastronef]

ell. So the only explanation that still makes sense to me is, that it was skipped cause UCI can't control the tests in the olympics.

ITA takes care of the UCI races testing as well as the Olympic testing. same agency

International Testing Agency-Olympic Games Paris 2024

ita.sport

 

[Casual cyclist]

You are right that poggie is way more ridicilous than Pharmastrong. I meant the level of cheating, professionalism in it and the money invested is only rivalled by US Postal. Visma a few years back was close to that too, but still there wasn't one rider winning it all, with performances never seen before and always looking like on a Sunday ride. UAE with Gianetti seems to be head and shoulders above them all.

With the socialmedia I meant, that they have really carefully painted this golden sweetheart boy picture to even lesser the difficult questions and it allows the (blind) people to continue the fanjerking around these extraterrestial performances. In hindsight maybe Ricco would have gotten away with it, if the times would have been different and they would have planned it better image wise. Maybe even sweeping a positive test quitly under the carpet. We also have to remember, that Ricco made these super alien performances only a few times and still eyebrows started to rise right away. Teddy just keeps on doing it over and over again and it's just chapeau, nothing to see here. For what i remember there was a lot more questioning back in the days, now after covid there's very little anything.

I'm still super skeptic about the skipping of olympics too. That Urska explanation is just very lame, he was on monster form and the course really suited him, so you supposedly skip a very likely olympic gold cause your girlfriend wasn't chosen, give me a break. You might never get another chance, four years is a long time even for the monster and the course might be more sprinter friendly next time aswell. So the only explanation that still makes sense to me is, that it was skipped cause UCI can't control the tests in the olympics. Remember also the hustle and drama surrounding teddys bike after the most ridicilous WC performance of the history. Something shady is going on with UCI, their poster boy and all the petrodollars coming from the UAE.

This. It seems people even on this sub-forum looking for "evidence" (I mean beyond all these 8W/kg no sweat buffooneries) keep forgetting these quite telling happenings.