Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Ilmaestro99]

Usually someone that dopes targets a couple of races to perform on a high level only to later go off cycle and decline in ability. There is no such trend with Pogacar, he is always fighting for victory, his trajectory is consistent all year round. What's suspicious to me is Vingegaard not racing until Dauphine, I wonder what sauce Visma is gonna marinate their fish with this time.

How do you even have a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks one thermonuclear alien smashing climbing records is dirty, but the other, his arch rival, is squeaky cleans.

They are both as bad as each other, when your rival is on a sophisticated dope program and you're on focaccia and water you just don't compete. You will be blown out the water.

pocagar is beating climbing records by 4 minutes, never getting tired, and ride for gianetti. He's doped

Vingegardd is winning a 22km ITT by 3 minutes to the rest of the field and finishing 2nd on le tour with a punctured lung. He's doped.

 

[pelotonIQ]

How do you even have a reasonable discussion with someone who thinks one thermonuclear alien smashing climbing records is dirty, but the other, his arch rival, is squeaky cleans.

They are both as bad as each other, when your rival is on a sophisticated dope program and you're on focaccia and water you just don't compete. You will be blown out the water.

pocagar is beating climbing records by 4 minutes, never getting tired, and ride for gianetti. He's doped

Vingegardd is winning a 22km ITT by 3 minutes to the rest of the field and finishing 2nd on le tour with a punctured lung. He's doped.

If anything, Vingegaard is more suspicious. Pogacar races like this all year round. Looking back historically you can't find a doper with the same trajectory as Pogacar's but you can find plenty that matches Vingegaard.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If anything, Vingegaard is more suspicious. Pogacar races like this all year round. Looking back historically you can't find a doper with the same trajectory as Pogacar's but you can find plenty that matches Vingegaard.

Vingegaard was actually starting to look like 2021 Pogačar before he crashed in Itzulia last year. A guy who had both the power and the confidence to win almost every (stage) race he entered. Sure he's no match for 2022 to present day Pogačar, but his dominance was still reminiscence of pre ban Contador, whose level was viewed crazy enough until Pogačar raised the bar for what was seen as humanly possible in this era.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

If anything, Vingegaard is more suspicious.

They are both as suspicious as it gets

Pocagar being consistent in all his races does not make him less suspicious. We can look at valverde, one of the most consistent riders of all time, winning from February to October, and a convicted dopper . Vingegardd also had more racedays than Pocagar before the tour in 2022 and 2023.

Regardless, it's like someone in 2007 trying to say that Rasmussen was doped but contador was not

 

[Blobs]

If anything, Vingegaard is more suspicious. Pogacar races like this all year round. Looking back historically you can't find a doper with the same trajectory as Pogacar's but you can find plenty that matches Vingegaard.

The fact that Pogacar has found a way to bypass normal physiological limitations makes him more suspicious. Not less.

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's like putting an apple and an orange next to each other and trying to debate which one is more of a fruit.

Vingegaard thread is here;

Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

Time for his own clinic-thread.

forum.cyclingnews.com

 

[Ripper]

Wouldn’t that suggest he is simply more naturally talented? ie, like Valverde but at a higher level? Or dare I suggest, like Eddy?

The OP started this thread after the LPdBF TT when Pogacar took yellow off a presumptuous Visma (Roglic). Before then he was super young and yet already had many good results stringing back to the 2019 ToC and before. I simply cannot apportion all his rapid improvement to nothing more than superior doping. Not at that young age.

Valverde performed at a very high level all year long, but he was not beating everyone all year long, year after year (especially after he got popped).

Greg Lemond, long known as the ultimate scourge of doping evil (Lol!!) also had races he focused on, and races where he was building form. In other words, he set up peaks.

I have personally known dopers who kill it all year long. And those that taper.

Honestly, I don't think we can look at the consistency or the focused goals between any of the top teams as a sign of cleanliness or doping.

 

[Salvarani]

Vingegaard was actually starting to look like 2021 Pogačar before he crashed in Itzulia last year. A guy who had both the power and the confidence to win almost every (stage) race he entered. Sure he's no match for 2022 to present day Pogačar, but his dominance was still reminiscence of pre ban Contador, whose level was viewed crazy enough until Pogačar raised the bar for what was seen as humanly possible in this era.

Since winning Tour 2022...

Vinge has won 7 GCs.

Also finished 2nd in Cro Race (lol), 3rd P-N, 2nd Vuelta, DNF Basque, 2nd Tour and DNF P-N.

He has barely missed and won almost every race he has been at. He been close to winning everything he has lined up for in the last 2-3 years.

 

[topcat]

It's like putting an apple and an orange next to each other and trying to debate which one is more of a fruit.

Vingegaard thread is here;

Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

Time for his own clinic-thread.

forum.cyclingnews.com

I did mention this 2 years ago:

Vingo is an apple living in a world full of oranges and if he doesn’t talk to either his ds or his wife, he’ll go bananas.

 

[rghysens]

I think a very likely scenario is that both Visma and UAE agreed behind the scenes after last year's Tour that enough is enough and this is too much. This is why Pog and Jonas look more human this year.
Don't be surprised when the speeds in the TDF 25 are lower than last year.

Speeds in the oneday races this year are not really lower this year, so I doubt we´ll see performances decrease substantially during the tour.

 

[Ripper]

They are both as suspicious as it gets

Pocagar being consistent in all his races does not make him less suspicious. We can look at valverde, one of the most consistent riders of all time, winning from February to October, and a convicted dopper . Vingegardd also had more racedays than Pocagar before the tour in 2022 and 2023.

Regardless, it's like someone in 2007 trying to say that Rasmussen was doped but contador was not

+1000

 

[pastronef]

+1000

well that's as old as cycling. nowadays it's Danes vs Slovenians. my rider is clean, yours is doped. and vivecersa.

 

[Red Rick]

well that's as old as cycling. nowadays it's Danes vs Slovenians. my rider is clean, yours is doped. and vivecersa.

Not really. If anything "who cares everyone dopes" is at least as common a bailout argument. Let's put it this way if my guy Rogla is actually totally cleanz I'll be so disappointed because of all the missed potential.

However if everyone's on something, that does not mean everyone is on the same stuff to the same degree and there is nothing dodgy going on. And especially if you add the narrative all the cycling pundits are spinning that we shouldn't question Pogacar because he's basically Jesus come again on 2 wheels I don't see how that's consistent with cycling of previous era's.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I‘m not a fan of the motor hypothesis, but that‘s the most motobike he‘s looked

 

[Notarobot]

I didnt believe in the motorized bikes theory untill a few minutes ago. The shot from the air says it all. Poga's cadence is absolutely not in line with the acceleration. He just...goes? This looked ridiculous.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Forget about Cancellara pulling away in Roubaix or De Ronde, Wout Poels going fast in a hairpin, or Froomey's washing machine. This takes the cake by quite a fair margin. We seriously need people in and around this sport to genuinely start asking questions. They should have started asking them long ago, but at this point it's simply necessary.

 

[Rou]

This looked absurd! Dayuum Pogi!

 

[Ricco']

The closest to Spa that MotoGP has ever been

 

[frenchfry]

What a joke cycling is. I couldn't even watch the finish.

 

[Abedfo]

That is literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen. But because we live in an age of stupidity no one will bat an eyelid. Oh yeah he's cool because his hair sticks through his helmet.

I literally can't wait until he gets popped or team mate does and the house of cards comes crashing down.

 

[Notarobot]

Will this be it? Or will nobody close to the fire ask questions?

 

[glassmoon]

Mauro's dopped clown did it again? This sport is a joke.

 

[Ricco']

After his front wheel passed Healy's front wheel, Pogacar opened a 6.5 second gap to Healy in about 19/20 seconds.

So Pogacar is 25% faster than the rest

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Magnus backstedt stunned into silence, doesn't say a word

 

[Abedfo]

I'm just not going to watch races with this clown in them anymore. What's the point. Its so freaking obvious, but it's like hitting your head against a wall to get through to people.

Media, whatever size never offer scrutiny because there is nothing in it for them to do so.

The backroom staff are all doping men who shouldn't be anywhere near the sport. Funded by a sports washing nation state who are obviously in the sport because what they like cycling and "taking part"