Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Rob5091]

Never tested positive. That sounds familiar ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...lies-tadej-pogacar-defended-against-suspicion

“Many people love to watch when he goes 85 kilometres alone at Strade Bianche or 75 kilometres at the Europeans,” Migels added. “But it also unsettles some fans. They ask themselves how this is possible, and we’re back to the doping debate. You can see it in online forums. That’s unfortunate, but his racing style has to be respected and accepted.”
Pogacar, of course, has never failed a test nor been implicated in any scandal. But sadly, cycling’s long shadow remains, and even its brightest stars live under it.

 

[dr.eve]

Never tested positive. That sounds familiar ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...lies-tadej-pogacar-defended-against-suspicion

'nor been implicated in any scandal'

This is where I differ so much from cycling journalists of today. The fact that we have Gianetti and co so prominent in a procycling team is a scandal in itself. And now matter how you spin it, Pogacar is attached to it.

 

[BubbaChuck]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

 

[dr.eve]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

People that do specific types of hard labour, especially that of decades and decades ago, are not necessarily that 'healthy', especially when it comes to overall fitness and physiology.

 

[dr.eve]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

Which pre ww2 era drugs do you mean?

Alcohol, amphetamine, cocaïne, heroin, morphine? Pre ww1 heroin was just for sale legally.

 

[BubbaChuck]

any source?

 

[BubbaChuck]

you probably know about pharma pre ww2,uregulated,in germany it was bonanza.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

At the 1954 FIFA World Cup, the Germans used Pervitin, although I think there were much worse things going on behind the scenes than doping. The Hungarian team was far superior, even if they had played with one man less, they would still have crushed the Germans... but I don't want to get into geopolitical topics here...

At the 1966 FIFA World Cup, three German football players failed anti-doping tests for ephedrine. This was the first World Cup where anti-doping tests were done, most likely athletes had been using it for quite a long time back then. Since they easily covered up the failed doping tests and no one made a big deal out of it, it's more than likely that many countries used it.

In his autobiography, Beckenbauer admitted that blood doping was already widely used at that time. However, he played the useful idiot and denied that it was doping, claiming that he had never heard the word "doping" during his career lmao

Is this @Taxus4a? Froome was always a "diamond in the rough"?

Froomedog cleverly changed his nationality to match that of the presidents of the UCI and WADA at the time

 

[Netserk]

Froomedog cleverly changed his nationality to match that of the presidents of the UCI and WADA at the time

He was Irish???

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

He was Irish???

Fat Pat is a loyalist. Both his parents are Northern Irish and his mother is protestant. He also used to race under a british license after he was banned internationally when he was caught racing in South Africa Tour in the 70s.

 

[Netserk]

Fat Pat is a loyalist. Both his parents are Northern Irish and his mother is protestant. He also used to race under a british license after he was banned internationally when he was caught racing in South Africa Tour in the 70s.

Immigrant parents makes one a fake Irishman? Or does it take the wrong faith as well?