Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[aphronesis]

I agree. Maybe “professionalism” doesn’t have the right range, and bureaucratic or administrative would get a little deeper? (Counterintuitive as that might be.)

 

[ashhutch1997]

Or simply cycling can't afford another major scandal and so market interests have taken over, amongst the federation and journos alike. The war on doping thus succombs to don't spit on the plate from which you eat. Taking access to professionalism as explaining the ridiculous feats of today, is only a means for them (the UCI and journalism) to justify not fighting against it.

If cycling can survive Armstrong it can survive anything. Lance Armstrong was the biggest star cycling has ever had, even people who had no interest in cycling knew who he was and his story. Let's be real, unless you are either Slovenian or a cycling fan, the chances are that people have never heard of Tadej Pogačar.

 

[Extinction]

If cycling can survive Armstrong it can survive anything. Lance Armstrong was the biggest star cycling has ever had, even people who had no interest in cycling knew who he was and his story. Let's be real, unless you are either Slovenian or a cycling fan, the chances are that people have never heard of Tadej Pogačar.

It was mostly commercially driven and in this America excels. For the rest of the word at the time, outside cycling, most only knew of Armstrong through Nike publicity and it didn't increase the audience.

 

[kingjr]

It was mostly commercially driven and in this America excels. For the rest of the word at the time, outside cycling, most only knew of Armstrong through Nike publicity and it didn't increase the audience.

Armstrong was a big deal over here as well. My grandfather who wasn't even into cycling had his book at home and 8-year-old me was begging him to let me read it (he thought it wasn't appropriate for one as young as me, but I got him around after a couple of months). I still saw kids who weren't even into cycling wear Livestrong wristbands years later, and everybody knew who he was. Part of that's of course because Ullrich was huge at the time, so cycling got plenty of attention anyway, but Armstrong's story still had a big impact on its own (Remember, Ullrich didn't race in '99).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

This post alone makes today, Wednesday the 8th of October, 2025, a horrendous day to have eyes

What a *** legend! The forum is not worthy of the mighty RR.

 

[Extinction]

Armstrong was a big deal over here as well. My grandfather who wasn't even into cycling had his book at home and 8-year-old me was begging him to let me read it (he thought it wasn't appropriate for one as young as me, but I got him around after a couple of months). I still saw kids who weren't even into cycling wear Livestrong wristbands years later, and everybody knew who he was. Part of that's of course because Ullrich was huge at the time, so cycling got plenty of attention anyway, but Armstrong's story still had a big impact on its own (Remember, Ullrich didn't race in '99).

In Italy, as in much of Europe, Armstrong outside the cycling community was marginal at best.

 

[kingjr]

In Italy, as in much of Europe, Armstrong outside the cycling community, was marginal at best.

How doe we measure that, and how do we compare that to cyclists in general?

 

[Extinction]

How doe we measure that, and how do we compare that to cyclists in general?

Cycling globally is measureably less impactful than a host of sports, with Armstrong being noteworthy in relative stature.

 

[Extinction]

I agree. Maybe “professionalism” doesn’t have the right range, and bureaucratic or administrative would get a little deeper? (Counterintuitive as that might be.)

It's a Byzantine administrative bureauocracy that works to sustain itself. Fighting doping has never been their true goal, but image management.

 

[madthebad]

Tadej is just a phenomenal athlete and probably the GOAT of cycling .Just get that into your head and stop with these ridiculous doping accusations which are based on nothing .

 

[dr.eve]

Tadej is just a phenomenal athlete and probably the GOAT of cycling .Just get that into your head and stop with these ridiculous doping accusations which are based on nothing .

What if we don't?

 

[Abedfo]

Tadej is just a phenomenal athlete and probably the GOAT of cycling .Just get that into your head and stop with these ridiculous doping accusations which are based on nothing .

If you bury your head in the sand much more you'll pop out of the ground somewhere in Australia. Why are you even here? I'm sure there is a Pogacar is the Goat circlejerk thread on the forums here somewhere, you'll feel right at home.