Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[dr.eve]

Never tested positive. That sounds familiar ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...lies-tadej-pogacar-defended-against-suspicion

'nor been implicated in any scandal'

This is where I differ so much from cycling journalists of today. The fact that we have Gianetti and co so prominent in a procycling team is a scandal in itself. And no matter how you spin it, Pogacar is attached to it.

 

[BubbaChuck]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

 

[dr.eve]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

People that do specific types of hard labour, especially that of decades and decades ago, are not necessarily that 'healthy', especially when it comes to overall fitness and physiology.

 

[dr.eve]

eddie era,very interesting.there are arguments to be made.first,cycling was huge back than.very little cars.sure cycling wasnot global sport,but back than whole urban europe was on bike.anyone who knows that generation,knows riding abike was joke in comparison to hard labour thye did otherwise.this is somewhat true even for pros from that era.athletic ability,this i very speculative and controversial,its either plumbers or they were athletic monsters ancestrors coming from decades of very hard labour.doping,another controversial point.general idea is not much help.well,could be true,but we know drugs from pre ww2 era were huge on endurance and being able to stay awake.there are rumblings eddie was big on that and they mastered aplication to avoid burn out,unlike nazis in france or russia,lol.now eddie was accused of more than just doping and im sure they bough many small races to pum up palmares.eddie didnot go that deep in wins,just beacuse he could.guys like eddie or roger were rutless,even guy like armstrong is marshmellow in comp to them.just listen to them today and see difference.for eddie and roger its never finished,lmaoo.

Which pre ww2 era drugs do you mean?

Alcohol, amphetamine, cocaïne, heroin, morphine? Pre ww1 heroin was just for sale legally.

 

[BubbaChuck]

any source?

 

[BubbaChuck]

you probably know about pharma pre ww2,uregulated,in germany it was bonanza.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

At the 1954 FIFA World Cup, the Germans used Pervitin, although I think there were much worse things going on behind the scenes than doping. The Hungarian team was far superior, even if they had played with one man less, they would still have crushed the Germans... but I don't want to get into geopolitical topics here...

At the 1966 FIFA World Cup, three German football players failed anti-doping tests for ephedrine. This was the first World Cup where anti-doping tests were done, most likely athletes had been using it for quite a long time back then. Since they easily covered up the failed doping tests and no one made a big deal out of it, it's more than likely that many countries used it.

In his autobiography, Beckenbauer admitted that blood doping was already widely used at that time. However, he played the useful idiot and denied that it was doping, claiming that he had never heard the word "doping" during his career lmao

Is this @Taxus4a? Froome was always a "diamond in the rough"?

Froomedog cleverly changed his nationality to match that of the presidents of the UCI and WADA at the time

 

[Netserk]

Froomedog cleverly changed his nationality to match that of the presidents of the UCI and WADA at the time

He was Irish???

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

He was Irish???

Fat Pat is a loyalist. Both his parents are Northern Irish and his mother is protestant. He also used to race under a british license after he was banned internationally when he was caught racing in South Africa Tour in the 70s.

 

[Netserk]

Fat Pat is a loyalist. Both his parents are Northern Irish and his mother is protestant. He also used to race under a british license after he was banned internationally when he was caught racing in South Africa Tour in the 70s.

Immigrant parents makes one a fake Irishman? Or does it take the wrong faith as well?

 

[aphronesis]

Or it might mean he’s of mixed colonial heritage. Which is not exclusive of sectarianism. And vice versa.

 

[rallybanana]

A true Irishman would not have raced in South Africa in the 1970s.

Sean Kelly is a fake Irishman?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Same *** as always, wash rinse and repeat.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Pog looks and sounds happier here than winning the Tour. GC riding is holding this man back from true happiness and peace.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pog looks and sounds happier here than winning the Tour. GC riding is holding this man back from true happiness and peace.

Pogi is a one-day racer at heart but the sheikhs force him to do the Tour cause he can climb a bit.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Wow Paul Sexas, that's what a general talent looks like, just turned 19 and getting 7th in a monument. Pogacar on the other hand at 19 was a talent, but nothing special. Won the Tour de l'Avenir without winning a stage and was pretty passive, then got humbled by Marc frigging Hurshi in the U23 world championships. Then joins UAE and Gianetti and becomes a mutant overnight.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Proof that Pogi doping isn't anywhere near the 80s or 90s is that he is 27yo and still look like he is 20yo.

All the biggest dopers look 10 years older than their actual age.

Look at Bjarne Riis at 29yo looking like a 50 yo man.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Paul Seixas grew mature a lot faster. He looks like Pogacar in 2022

Look at Pogacar body and face at 20yo in 2018. He looked like a 14yo boy

Wow Paul Sexas, that's what a general talent looks like, just turned 19 and getting 7th in a monument. Pogacar on the other hand at 19 was a talent, but nothing special. Won the Tour de l'Avenir without winning a stage and was pretty passive, then got humbled by Marc frigging Hurshi in the U23 world championships. Then joins UAE and Gianetti and becomes a mutant overnight.

 

[Netserk]

Wow Paul Sexas, that's what a general talent looks like, just turned 19 and getting 7th in a monument. Pogacar on the other hand at 19 was a talent, but nothing special. Won the Tour de l'Avenir without winning a stage and was pretty passive, then got humbled by Marc frigging Hurshi in the U23 world championships. Then joins UAE and Gianetti and becomes a mutant overnight.

With something similar to the Wilson effect and taking base rates into account, you should expect the best senior rider to not be the best junior rider.

 

[ashhutch1997]

With something similar to the Wilson effect and taking base rates into account, you should expect the best senior rider to not be the best junior rider.

I'm talking about u23.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Looking at sub 20yo performance to determine someone future performance in cycling is one of the worst way to proceed.

Men body change a lot until 20yo. Proof is some men grow 15cm in a year from age 16 to 17. While others reach their final height at 15yo.

Just as an example Wembanyama (today 226cm tall) was 180cm at 13. Lebron James (198cm) was 182cm at 13.

 

[Rackham]

Dead sport. They got too good at this and pro-cycling has become Ouroboros.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Dead sport. They got too good at this and pro-cycling has become Ouroboros.

There's still hope for Rogla. He only lost 3 minutes to Pogi on Ganda climb.

 

[BubbaChuck]

seixas on juice since 14.he looks alamost as old as pog,lets be serius.pogacar is on another stratosphere.

 

[Rackham]

There's still hope for Rogla. He only lost 3 minutes to Pogi on Ganda climb.

Tbh I think Rog was very fortunate to have had the career he's had.

There's riders here who're in their prime and they're shipping GT level gaps in one day races - due to legs, not tactics.