Which people?perhaps when you show us some evidence against him people will change their mind
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Which people?perhaps when you show us some evidence against him people will change their mind
people like me, clinic has become "a rider is better than my favorite rider, let accuse him of doping". Shouldnt there be at least some evidence before we do that.Which people?
he could also beat Eddy Merckx, cycling is evolving like every other sports. Let look at athletics. Is everybody doping that beat WRs from proven dopers.Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
All of cycling history suggests that when something is unbelievable, you should indeed not believe it. But why would this time be different?
Van Aert right now could beat 2013 Froome while winning bunch sprints as well.
Who are my favorite riders then?people like me, clinic has become "a rider is better than my favorite rider, let accuse him of doping". Shouldnt there be at least some evidence before we do that.
Actually, right now cycling is looking worse than Athletics in some regards: there are still WRs in track & field standing from the late 1970s & early 1980s set in sprint/jumping/throwing events by East Germans, Russians, Czechs, and Bulgarians that may not be surpassed for another 50 years. So recent cycling records seem to be getting close to the past era of peak doping. But maybe that’s simply because massive doping with anabolic steroids is harder to get away with than massive doping with blood vector manipulation? Though obviously my pseudo- argument doesn’t hold up when you look at Jamaican sprinters or the distance events.he could also beat Eddy Merckx, cycling is evolving like every other sports. Let look at athletics. Is everybody doping that beat WRs from proven dopers.
I mean Pogacar an WVA could be on it but I would like to see at least some evidence not just "unbelivable performance", he cant be better than my favorite rider
I don't understand why you get so personal or sensitive about it.people like me, clinic has become "a rider is better than my favorite rider, let accuse him of doping". Shouldnt there be at least some evidence before we do that.
Question for you. If Pogacar posts a time of 35 - 36 minutes on Alpe D'Huez would you need to see a positive test to validate that he is doping? If You do, then you are going to have a hard time reading through the posts on this thread anyway. BTW, do you think that if Pogacar post a magnificent time on Alpe D'Huez (<=36 minutes) the UCI will not be concerned?
Everyone is paying attention to these things whether you like it or not.
Seeing current Pogacar I see him doing sub 37 minutes time. Of course, I could be wrong but that is possible for him.
which evidence, i havent seen one; improved performances ? he is 22 and has been one of the biggest talents in cycling like forever. I would consider a PED improved performance something like Froome has done. Gone from a donkey to top rider.Who are my favorite riders then?
I think you are confused about evidence. It sounds like you are asking for irrefutable proof, such as testing results. As opposed to evidence of markedly improved performances, without clear and reasonable explanations. There has been lots of evidence over the past year that things are different.
I dont know but based on assumption like that usain bolt is for sure on peds cause he broke a WR from caught dopers.I don't understand why you get so personal or sensitive about it.
The Clinic has been quiet for a while now. Even after some busts not many people care to come here to post. However, things are starting to get out of hand and the river is carrying some rocks. Even though there is no evidence in a sense of positive tests (I am not sure if we ever see one, like many high profile athletes who have doped throughout their career without a positive test) there are some indications that something is going on. That is the main reason for this thread.
Question for you. If Pogacar posts a time of 35 - 36 minutes on Alpe D'Huez would you need to see a positive test to validate that he is doping? If You do, then you are going to have a hard time reading through the posts on this thread anyway. BTW, do you think that if Pogacar post a magnificent time on Alpe D'Huez (<=36 minutes) the UCI will not be concerned?
Everyone is paying attention to these things whether you like it or not.
Ah, so different ideas of what represents smokewhich evidence, i havent seen one; improved performances ? he is 22 and has been one of the biggest talents in cycling like forever. I would consider a PED improved performance something like Froome has done. Gone from a donkey to top rider.
No, i dont mean a positive test but at least some smoke, like its happening with sky now.
you dont think there is a differnceAh, so different ideas of what represents smoke
which evidence, i havent seen one; improved performances ? he is 22 and has been one of the biggest talents in cycling like forever. I would consider a PED improved performance something like Froome has done. Gone from a donkey to top rider.
No, i dont mean a positive test but at least some smoke, like its happening with sky now.
trial perhaps but the smoke was there for a long timeBut the smoke, if you mean the trial, came almost ten years later...
And if Bolt wasn't doped, I'll eat my laptop.
Actually, more like what some folks see as smoke, others do not. For example, you have stated "which evidence, i havent seen one ... i dont mean a positive test but at least some smoke, like its happening with sky now", . However, I would say there is smoke, with wins by a large margin, climbing records falling significantly, and what still amounts to a fairly big jump in level, etc.you dont think there is a differnce
Better gearing? You're aware that Lance touted his high cadence as part of his transformation?I dont know but based on assumption like that usain bolt is for sure on peds cause he broke a WR from caught dopers.
there has to be at least something more, not he is just fast.
Some will think I am naive but i think the great perfomances on climbs are mostly contributed to better gearing. Guys now are riding even 50-30 (32) on steep climbs, Pantani and Lance were riding 23-25 and 53 crank
Yup!Better gearing? You're aware that Lance touted his high cadence as part of his transformation?
his cadence was still lower than riders today, there just wasnt the technolgy back than; he was riding 39-25 , compare this to today options of 34-30(32), big difference; " When he won on Alpe d'Huez in 2001, it's said he used 39x24 "Better gearing? You're aware that Lance touted his high cadence as part of his transformation?
Roglic has 100, I am not sure for Pogi, now look at 2001 Lance; also difference now is they just dont have to ride on pedals, they just do it for acceleration, back in Lance days it was pedals, rest, back on pedals, you just couldnt hold high cadence riding in the saddle cause of the lower gearingRiders today typically have a cadence about 90 rpm on climbs. Same for Tadej.
It was posted in here initially: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/state-of-the-peloton-2021.36806/Im not too much into Clinic. I usually dont want to throw **** without proves. But how many posibilities are that two guys from the same country dominate this way the sport, having into account that it is a country with no cycling tradition?
Im not too much into Clinic. I usually dont want to throw **** without proves. But how many posibilities are that two guys from the same country dominate this way the sport, having into account that it is a country with no cycling tradition?
I've read your post a while back and wrote a very very very long reply, but I didn't finish it so the next day I decided not to bother and deleted it. I'll try again.It was posted in here initially: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/state-of-the-peloton-2021.36806/
Post #10.
It looks like nobody cared that much since people feel like it is a given that they are doped. However there were different questions about the breaking of the records in almost every race in the last year. Sounds like the Slovenians are leading the way of the doped to gills riders among many others.