Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Blobs]

Colnago claims that with the new bike Pogi will do 20 watts more at 50 km/h.

Surely you mean 20 watts less? Unless they are trying to level the playing field by adding extra resistance/decreasing motor wattage.

The way it's worded it sounds like he will have to push more watts in order to reach 50 km/h

 

[peterfin]

Surely you mean 20 watts less? Unless they are trying to level the playing field by adding extra resistance/decreasing motor wattage.

The way it's worded it sounds like he will have to push more watts in order to reach 50 km/h

I guess you know what I mean. There will be 20 watts les power needed to compensate for the drag at 50 km/h so Pogi can save 20 watts of his max power output or use it to go faster. It has approximately the same effect as doing 20 watts extra on his old bike. In practice the impact is evdn a bit bigger because the impact becomes bigger as the speed increases.

 

[Froome]

Colnago claims that with the new bike Pogi will do 20 watts more at 50 km/h. That's exactly what he needs to be competitive Honestly, I can't believe the VR4s was that bad. 20 watts extra is what I expect a small motor would do.

This is really the "ahahahah era".

 

[Casual cyclist]

This is a new step: precisely quantified marginal gains announced in advance. We are warned: next season promises to be pretty scary.

It is simply 20 watts more of EM assist on average compared to this year. The seat tube accordingly follows the the rear wheel over a longer arc.

 

[YellowSocks]

It was said that he didn't know how to train, and that now he does.
Now we also know that until now his bike was sh*t, and that he will finally get a real one.
I'm waiting for someone to tell us that he didn't know his shoe size and had to ride all these years in shoes that didn't fit.
Unless they're saving the shoe thing for 2026...

 

[AmRacer]

It was said that he didn't know how to train, and that now he does.
Now we also know that until now his bike was sh*t, and that he will finally get a real one.
I'm waiting for someone to tell us that he didn't know his shoe size and had to ride all these years in shoes that didn't fit.
Unless they're saving the shoe thing for 2026...

Saddle hight 🤔

 

[peterfin]

It was said that he didn't know how to train, and that now he does.
Now we also know that until now his bike was sh*t, and that he will finally get a real one.
I'm waiting for someone to tell us that he didn't know his shoe size and had to ride all these years in shoes that didn't fit.
Unless they're saving the shoe thing for 2026...

Well, who knows! When he started racing as a kid, he didn't know that he had to cross the finish line first to win.

 

[YellowSocks]

Something is wrong. Vingo shouldn't be the dumb one?
Scriptwriters blurring the lines... I find it hard to follow.

 

[Froome]

"We don't plan to do any more" - UAE Team Emirates announce termination of use of carbon monoxide rebreathing to evaluate training effectiveness

Carbon monoxide rebreathing has been the topic of the cycling off-season with Escape Collective's investigation suggesting that the method which has, for decades, been used to measure effectiveness o...

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UAE is using carbon monoxide since 2 years ago.

 

[Casual cyclist]

Something is wrong. Vingo shouldn't be the dumb one?
Scriptwriters blurring the lines... I find it hard to follow.

Yeah, once the whole show becomes a scripted farce, it has to be enjoyed in a way different from what traditional cycling fans are used to. Like that fellow from Guardian wrote right after WCRR, it becomes a version of WWE: still fun, but a different kind of fun.

 

[Peyroteo94]

UAE stopped using carbon monoxide rebreathing. I don't know if this is good because I'm almost sure they found something new, even better than this.

 

[Froome]

Idk, but he is more often right than he isn't...

He was also wrong about the watts pogacar produced in the Tour.

 

[Tymek]

He was also wrong about the watts pogacar produced in the Tour.

Yeah, but right about Pog dominance and almost everything in his schedule except Gent - Wevelgem.
Probably we're never be 100% sure if he is or isn't somebody who knows Pog.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He was also wrong about the watts pogacar produced in the Tour.

Actually in one of his posts he predicted 6.9 w/kg for 30 minutes at the Tour, which looked shocking in March but turned out to be quite close. 4 months later he did 6.8-6.9 w/kg for almost 40 minutes.

 

[Froome]

Actually in one of his posts he predicted 6.9 w/kg for 30 minutes at the Tour, which looked shocking in March but turned out to be quite close. 4 months later he did 6.8-6.9 w/kg for almost 40 minutes.

I am not surprised since he said, Pogacar did 8.2 w/kg in 12 minutes.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I am not surprised since he said, Pogacar did 8.2 w/kg in 12 minutes.

He also was wrong with some numbers but the main point is that he actually predicted Pog's big improvement in 2024 when hardly anyone believed that.

 

[Blobs]

It was said that he didn't know how to train, and that now he does.
Now we also know that until now his bike was sh*t, and that he will finally get a real one.
I'm waiting for someone to tell us that he didn't know his shoe size and had to ride all these years in shoes that didn't fit.
Unless they're saving the shoe thing for 2026...

Just wait 'till they cure his bilharzia

 

[Rob5091]

Ma Pogi explains Pogi greatness as the result of ignorant parents ...
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...n-up-on-life-of-uae-leader-away-from-the-bike

"At the beginning, we were so ignorant about cycling that we didn't even know what it entailed ... Tadej once said that the most we could do for him in terms of sports was that we had no idea about cycling.

 

[Unchained]

Indeed, and the cover-up activity of the system does not stop even in off-season. Witness, for instance, a recent article on Cycling news about the discovering "truth" (just like that, in quotes) on motor doping. The implication must be that the real truth is doomed to remain hidden forever, or, possibly, in a true postmodernist fashion, simply does not exist. In the article itself, the most suspicious period with regard to motor doping is stated to be 2010-14 (yeah, right, 2020-present is obviously totally innocent in that regard, look how much slower it is ). Also, just today, an article on race bike shapes, using Colnago (who could have thought!) as an example. The main thesis there is the good old function before form: race bike designers, in relentless pursuit of speed, should -- and will -- completely abandon any esthetic considerations. So, folks, get ready to Tuddly's bikes looking -- and riding -- more and more like small ugly motorcycles and him becoming faster and arriving fresher. (A related small observation: in the most recent Colnago, the seat tube hugs the rear wheel even more, additionally pointing to the distributed nature of the motor used there.)

You should really factor the issue and your speculation in the subject.
If you have been to major races almost always there are hotel affiliates. Teams and support staff all stay at a few hotels. So team cars, buses, vans, everyone is in close proximity. Fans and press very very close to equipment and staff. Neutral support. Teams often from different circles, so pro conti squads in the paddock bullpen w world tour teams. Majority of teams are running Shimano and Sram. Shimano relying on battery in a tube cavity of the bicycle. Many races involve crashes, bike repair, replacement or riders abandon. So play out the widespread, epidemic style motor doping as people are trying to sell. No motor found on crashed bikes, mechanics are able to either secretly fit motor doping devices in bicycles, not wheels. Bike inspections are somehow done and satisfactory without detection. Mechanics allegedly spring into action fit the bicycle and I am guessing a wireless device would be necessary, because if motor control device is on the handlebars or other available real estate on the bike nobody sees it.. On any bikes.. Don't see mechanics frantically rewrapping bar tape to disguise motor control switches..
All that, who gets it? Best riders? Riders on edge of getting dropped frequently? Riders who are sick or injured or need rest?
I don't doubt that motor doping exists, my absolute dismissal is that it's widespread. Nobody is finding it before, during or after races, not discovered by neutral support, not discovered by inspection of crashed bikes, teams are not catching each other or team members with a conscious are keeping the secret for themselves and other teams..
All just sounds silly as a widespread problem.
I really question how a rider or bike qualify for motor doping.. Are doped bikes switched out? When? By who? People are fast and loose with the physical and logistics involved with widespread motor doping..but Bigfoot has been seen in multiple countries, guessing he takes trains, planes or ships to switch locations but nobody sees Bigfoot at the airport or train station.. Cruise ship terminal..
I think Cycling News is irresponsible for furthering unfounded conspiracy theories and as with most media, the salacious stories get most clicks.. Bike racing has enough problems without invention of a ghost story..

 

[Salvarani]

Actually in one of his posts he predicted 6.9 w/kg for 30 minutes at the Tour, which looked shocking in March but turned out to be quite close. 4 months later he did 6.8-6.9 w/kg for almost 40 minutes.

He was always right. Incredible. A poster who is dearly missed with his wisdom.

 

[E_F_]

You should really factor the issue and your speculation in the subject.
If you have been to major races almost always there are hotel affiliates. Teams and support staff all stay at a few hotels. So team cars, buses, vans, everyone is in close proximity. Fans and press very very close to equipment and staff. Neutral support. Teams often from different circles, so pro conti squads in the paddock bullpen w world tour teams. Majority of teams are running Shimano and Sram. Shimano relying on battery in a tube cavity of the bicycle. Many races involve crashes, bike repair, replacement or riders abandon. So play out the widespread, epidemic style motor doping as people are trying to sell. No motor found on crashed bikes, mechanics are able to either secretly fit motor doping devices in bicycles, not wheels. Bike inspections are somehow done and satisfactory without detection. Mechanics allegedly spring into action fit the bicycle and I am guessing a wireless device would be necessary, because if motor control device is on the handlebars or other available real estate on the bike nobody sees it.. On any bikes.. Don't see mechanics frantically rewrapping bar tape to disguise motor control switches..
All that, who gets it? Best riders? Riders on edge of getting dropped frequently? Riders who are sick or injured or need rest?
I don't doubt that motor doping exists, my absolute dismissal is that it's widespread. Nobody is finding it before, during or after races, not discovered by neutral support, not discovered by inspection of crashed bikes, teams are not catching each other or team members with a conscious are keeping the secret for themselves and other teams..
All just sounds silly as a widespread problem.
I really question how a rider or bike qualify for motor doping.. Are doped bikes switched out? When? By who? People are fast and loose with the physical and logistics involved with widespread motor doping..but Bigfoot has been seen in multiple countries, guessing he takes trains, planes or ships to switch locations but nobody sees Bigfoot at the airport or train station.. Cruise ship terminal..
I think Cycling News is irresponsible for furthering unfounded conspiracy theories and as with most media, the salacious stories get most clicks.. Bike racing has enough problems without invention of a ghost story..

OK, now try doping.

 

[peterfin]

You should really factor the issue and your speculation in the subject.
If you have been to major races almost always there are hotel affiliates. Teams and support staff all stay at a few hotels. So team cars, buses, vans, everyone is in close proximity. Fans and press very very close to equipment and staff. Neutral support. Teams often from different circles, so pro conti squads in the paddock bullpen w world tour teams. Majority of teams are running Shimano and Sram. Shimano relying on battery in a tube cavity of the bicycle. Many races involve crashes, bike repair, replacement or riders abandon. So play out the widespread, epidemic style motor doping as people are trying to sell. No motor found on crashed bikes, mechanics are able to either secretly fit motor doping devices in bicycles, not wheels. Bike inspections are somehow done and satisfactory without detection. Mechanics allegedly spring into action fit the bicycle and I am guessing a wireless device would be necessary, because if motor control device is on the handlebars or other available real estate on the bike nobody sees it.. On any bikes.. Don't see mechanics frantically rewrapping bar tape to disguise motor control switches..
All that, who gets it? Best riders? Riders on edge of getting dropped frequently? Riders who are sick or injured or need rest?
I don't doubt that motor doping exists, my absolute dismissal is that it's widespread. Nobody is finding it before, during or after races, not discovered by neutral support, not discovered by inspection of crashed bikes, teams are not catching each other or team members with a conscious are keeping the secret for themselves and other teams..
All just sounds silly as a widespread problem.
I really question how a rider or bike qualify for motor doping.. Are doped bikes switched out? When? By who? People are fast and loose with the physical and logistics involved with widespread motor doping..but Bigfoot has been seen in multiple countries, guessing he takes trains, planes or ships to switch locations but nobody sees Bigfoot at the airport or train station.. Cruise ship terminal..
I think Cycling News is irresponsible for furthering unfounded conspiracy theories and as with most media, the salacious stories get most clicks.. Bike racing has enough problems without invention of a ghost story..

If motor doping in the pro-peloton is real, it's not widespread and it's obviously used by the best riders (who win races). It would be integrated in a way that it is not visible, neither for IR and (probably) X-ray scanners. Everybody can be in close proximity, nobody sees it. The motor and battery will be very light weight and probably only deliver a few tens watt for about 30 min at higher spreed. Activation may be wireless but it could also be preprogrammed before the race. The fact is that the technology exist, the UCI knows about it and the press seems to pick it up as well. So this is no conspiracy but a genuine, major risk for the sport that should get attention, even if there is no case yet in the pro-peloton.

 

[E_F_]

If you have been to major races almost always there are hotel affiliates. Teams and support staff all stay at a few hotels. So team cars, buses, vans, everyone is in close proximity. Fans and press very very close to equipment and staff. Neutral support.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What?

You'd have to keep all fiddling with motors hidden (obviously). You could do this by locking the door to a van, or closing off a tent, having someone at the entrance.

Neutral support don't do much? They (attempt to) change tyres once in a while? That's not a major issue.

Teams often from different circles, so pro conti squads in the paddock bullpen w world tour teams.

Don't see the problem.

Majority of teams are running Shimano and Sram. Shimano relying on battery in a tube cavity of the bicycle.

Yeah, there's a lot of space in bikes, it seems. Also: What's your point?

Many races involve crashes, bike repair, replacement or riders abandon.

Uh, huh... What're you trying to say?

No motor found on crashed bikes, mechanics are able to either secretly fit motor doping devices in bicycles, not wheels.

What happens to crashed bikes? Do the UCI take them? Race organizers? I would've guessed the teams took them...

Bike inspections are somehow done and satisfactory without detection

Yep. They don't disassemble the bikes. So they don't detect anything. I don't find the inspections "satisfactory".

Mechanics allegedly spring into action fit the bicycle and I am guessing a wireless device would be necessary

Why wouldn't mechanics spring into action? Team doctors have... Has any position on a cycling team not had a colleague busted for participating in cheating?

All that, who gets it? Best riders?

Of course. Minimize risk, maximize gain.

, teams are not catching each other or team members with a conscious are keeping the secret for themselves and other teams..

They sure have a habit of doing this, don't they?

Are doped bikes switched out? When? By who?

I'm not sure that's always necessary, but I also don't see why they couldn't or wouldn't do that. After the race? By team staff? What else...

People are fast and loose with the physical and logistics involved with widespread motor doping..

You're fast and loose with your proposed issues with the logistics involved. You wrote no actual arguments... All innuendo.

I think Cycling News is irresponsible for furthering unfounded conspiracy theories and as with most media, the salacious stories get most clicks.. Bike racing has enough problems without invention of a ghost story..

I think CN is being responsible by covering founded "conspiracy" suspicions.

Apropos of "ghost stories," have you even listened to Ghost in the Machine? It's a bit rich saying that something is unfounded if you haven't sought out the good reason there are to suspicious.

 

[Cookster15]

have you even listened to Ghost in the Machine? It's a bit rich saying that something is unfounded if you haven't sought out the good reason there are to suspicious.

I've listened to every episode although I must admit I got bored. We are all guilty of believing what we want. Ghost in the machine stokes those opinions. If you have anything specific in those videos, please spell it out.

 

[Rob5091]

If motors have been used, then since the UCI have been going nuts about them, I doubt any top team would use them, but have since gone back to old fashioned "medical preparations". No point having University profs on the team and not using their expertise.
Then again, a large wad of cash to the right person is always helpful.