Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Casual cyclist]

Ummm? So what?

Evenepoel has a somewhat predictable power profile and set of 'skills'. Same with van der Poel and others. But Thadijay has the super-skillz: such massive power that he can keep his diminutive frame powering along cobbles beside van der Poel, TT'ing away from TT specialists (even with a pretty crap looking aero position), and beat Skinny Vinnie and all the other skeletons up mountains. It's all a Sunday cruise, he is so far ahead that it's like a pro coming to a weekend ride with some Cat 3/4 racers ... he doesn't need to be in peak form to blow nearly everyone away. And he is working for two super, super corrupt team managers (like seriously, no one comes close to those two).

He looks embarrassed in his interviews

After that Amstel "embarassment" with just mild "smart" assist at work, Mauro must have dialed it so that a "secret" button press makes pedaling all but optional, and he has to actually pretend he is pushing those pedals.

 

[ivanic]

Stop trying to downplay what Pogi is doing. He's well and truly in Merckx territory, something we thought would be outright impossible in a much more professionalized and scientifically approached sport, where the playing field should, in theory, be more leveled as information on proper training and nutrition has become easily accessible by virtually anyone and the gains should be much more, well, sorry in advance, but ... marginal. Instead, we're seeing almost unparalleled domination. And no, none of the people you mention come close to Pogi's domination. It's Merckx, it's Hinault, it's Coppi. Those are Pogi's peers. The only difference is that Pogi is doing this in an era where the top teams are spending big money to find one extra percent, and then this guy goes out and absolutely smashes the competition. That's not feasible. That's not realistic.

That's not feasible. That's not realistic.

he made another attack seated on the saddle... but did you see? he left world wt riders as if they were amateurs, AMATEURS, he was in Z3, he could go 20 seconds faster on La Redoute

rear wheel with kinetic energy recovery, a 200k € wheel.

 

[Red Rick]

Ummm? So what?

Evenepoel has a somewhat predictable power profile and set of 'skills'. Same with van der Poel and others. But Thadijay has the super-skillz: such massive power that he can keep his diminutive frame powering along cobbles beside van der Poel, TT'ing away from TT specialists (even with a pretty crap looking aero position), and beat Skinny Vinnie and all the other skeletons up mountains. It's all a Sunday cruise, he is so far ahead that it's like a pro coming to a weekend ride with some Cat 3/4 racers ... he doesn't need to be in peak form to blow nearly everyone away. And he is working for two super, super corrupt team managers (like seriously, no one comes close to those two).

He looks embarrassed in his interviews

The most ridiculous bit is Pogacar isn't even that aero on a roadbike. He sits super upright especially going slightly uphill, and if you put him in a breakaway with some conti riders in a flat UAE stage he legit looks like the least aero rider of the lot.

 

[Casual cyclist]

The most ridiculous bit is Pogacar isn't even that aero on a roadbike. He sits super upright especially going slightly uphill, and if you put him in a breakaway with some conti riders in a flat UAE stage he legit looks like the least aero rider of the lot.

Noted many times before. The classic "coal miner" position. No need to inconvenience oneself when there is a "smart" helper in the frame.

 

[Stablo]

''Pogacar is doping'' but Vingegaard won two tours vs him. The hypocrisy is at it's highest.

Prime example how to not get the point or maybe you got,but decided to act stupid. Stage races are the only ones Vingo is winning and yes it has been annoying too sometimes. They still had good battles with Poggie on those years. If you didn't get the point let me explain: Dopacar has been doing this for almost two years now, almost every race he enters, every parcour and discpline.
Can you freaking apologists and downplayers at least keep in the normal Poggie thread, it's good place for a circlejerk.

There was nothing hypocrisy in my message! When someone else starts doing Dopacar seasons, performances and with the same backround team, I can promise you i will be equally annoyed.

Edit. And of course I don't think Vingo is clean either.

 

[SorelyBoy]

The motor doping theory seems a little out there until you start looking for other evidence. It’s got a longer history than some might think. Obviously not all smoke equals a fire, and that fire might have been stamped out from time to time, but it could be that technology has moved on and the benefits are so great that it has become too tempting for some teams to resist. And let’s be honest, the culture at UAE can’t be expected to be focused on sporting fairness.

The last one is hilariously obvious.

View: https://youtu.be/SNFyYjKCcKU?si=bylMKBx9PLzlG-O0

View: https://youtu.be/tZerARsCqAE?si=QP2JJVSU8iRSDhfI

View: https://youtu.be/iSfLbALqUgM?si=mRJKgqNp3Av2vEAg

 

[Fantastico]

I'm glad that I was busy and did not watch any of the spring classics this year (except for maybe 30 minutes of Flanders). It's getting more and more ridiculous (which after last year I actually considered impossible). Currently I have absolutely no desire to watch any race that Pogacar is participating in. The outcome is set in stone 90% of the time.

 

[ashhutch1997]

''Pogacar is doping'' but Vingegaard won two tours vs him. The hypocrisy is at it's highest.

Tbf the clinic section of the forum literally crashed the day of Combloux ITT

 

[Casual cyclist]

The motor doping theory seems a little out there until you start looking for other evidence. It’s got a longer history than some might think. Obviously not all smoke equals a fire, and that fire might have been stamped out from time to time, but it could be that technology has moved on and the benefits are so great that it has become too tempting for some teams to resist. And let’s be honest, the culture at UAE can’t be expected to be focused on sporting fairness.

The last one is hilariously obvious.

View: https://youtu.be/SNFyYjKCcKU?si=bylMKBx9PLzlG-O0

View: https://youtu.be/tZerARsCqAE?si=QP2JJVSU8iRSDhfI

View: https://youtu.be/iSfLbALqUgM?si=mRJKgqNp3Av2vEAg

That's right. As I said many times before, the first large scale motor doper was none else but Lance the Hunchback of Texas. Coincidentally, that was just the time spacious carbon frames became mainstream and brushless motors with lipo batteries became available.

 

[Fantastico]

In 2024 and 2025 there has been ONE single race that this guy has entered and not finished on the podium (not counting individual stages of stage races). He got 7th in Québec last year - a one-day race finishing in a bunch sprint.

Edit: Worth noting: He won 14 out of 19 of these races and "only" podiumed in San Remo (2024, 2025), Roubaix (2025) and Amstel Gold Race (2025).

 

[SorelyBoy]

Tbf the clinic section of the forum literally crashed the day of Combloux ITT

The Cancellara thing made a fair few waves also if memory serves. Very similar to the escapades of the last few races in terms of it being bloody obvious.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Tbf the clinic section of the forum literally crashed the day of Combloux ITT

Lately theres a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse Pogacar of everything and Vingegaard who won 2 TdF's of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some others users here. I hope it's bait because it would suck to be this clueless.

 

[pelotonIQ]

In 2024 and 2025 there has been ONE single race that this guy has entered and not finished on the podium (not counting individual stages of stage races). He got 7th in Québec last year - a one-day race finishing in a bunch sprint.

Edit: Worth noting: He won 14 out of 19 of these races and "only" podiumed in San Remo (2024, 2025), Roubaix (2025) and Amstel Gold Race (2025).

Not bad for someone that is well on his way to become the new 'greatest of all time'.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Lately theres a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse Pogacar of everything and Vingegaard who won 2 TdF's of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some others users here. I hope it's bait because it would suck to be this clueless.

Well it could also just be because only one of these guys are riding and winning at the moment. We (some of us anyway) will turn the spotlight back on Vingegaard when/if it becomes warranted. Van der Poel is not getting much stick this week either.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Well it could also just be because only one of these guys are riding and winning at the moment. We (some of us anyway) will turn the spotlight back on Vingegaard when/if it becomes warranted. Van der Poel is not getting much stick this week either.

You're missing the point. How can they call Pogacar a doper but ignore the guy who beat him twice in the tour and MvDP that won P-R over Pogacar. Where is the logical consistency?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

You're missing the point. How can they call Pogacar a doper but ignore the guy who beat him twice in the tour and MvDP that won P-R over Pogacar. Where is the logical consistency?

Whataboutism at its peak, what am I supposed to write about Vingegaard? Like „Grrrrr, I bet he‘s doping and cheating so hard at his training camps, grrrr, I‘m so mad!!!!“

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Lately theres a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse Pogacar of everything and Vingegaard who won 2 TdF's of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some others users here. I hope it's bait because it would suck to be this clueless.

Lately there's a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse pocagar of everything and froome who won 4 tdfs of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some other users here. I hope its bait because it would suck to be this clueless.!!!!!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

You're missing the point. How can they call Pogacar a doper but ignore the guy who beat him twice in the tour and MvDP that won P-R over Pogacar. Where is the logical consistency?

We've also been talking about Michael Storer this week, a guy who's never beat Pogačar or Vingegaard, and if Remco (and Skjelmose to a lesser degree) had continued to perform like he did last week, we'd also have mentioned him much more in the Clinic. It would have been the same with Cristian Scaroni if he had suddenly returned to greatness after his mysterious absence. That's recency bias for you, not hypocrisy.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Whataboutism at its peak, what am I supposed to write about Vingegaard? Like „Grrrrr, I bet he‘s doping and cheating so hard at his training camps, grrrr, I‘m so mad!!!!“

Lately there's a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse pocagar of everything and froome who won 4 tdfs of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some other users here. I hope its bait because it would suck to be this clueless.!!!!!

 

[E_F_]

The motor doping theory seems a little out there until you start looking for other evidence. It’s got a longer history than some might think. Obviously not all smoke equals a fire, and that fire might have been stamped out from time to time, but it could be that technology has moved on and the benefits are so great that it has become too tempting for some teams to resist. And let’s be honest, the culture at UAE can’t be expected to be focused on sporting fairness.

The last one is hilariously obvious.

View: https://youtu.be/SNFyYjKCcKU?si=bylMKBx9PLzlG-O0

View: https://youtu.be/tZerARsCqAE?si=QP2JJVSU8iRSDhfI

View: https://youtu.be/iSfLbALqUgM?si=mRJKgqNp3Av2vEAg

Neither of those two videos prove anything. In the first one I think the wheel in touching the ground when the bike is swung round, and in the second one the wheel barely moves, honestly could just be gravity, or perhaps more likely the pedal is pushed a bit when it lands on the ground.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Lately there's a new agenda in the clinic section, accuse pocagar of everything and froome who won 4 tdfs of nothing. It's baffling, the hypocrisy I'm reading of some other users here. I hope its bait because it would suck to be this clueless.!!!!!

Oh behave yourself. First of all Froome was squeaky compared to Pogacar. Nothing he did remotely compares in terms of performances. And the other thing is that he’s old news. Pogacar is doing it now, and doing things that quite frankly insult my intelligence.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

Time for his own clinic-thread.

forum.cyclingnews.com

You‘re free to write what you think about Vingegaard‘s doping program there. Hope this helps

 

[pelotonIQ]

We've also been talking about Michael Storer this week, a guy who's never beat Pogačar or Vingegaard, and if Remco (and Skjelmose to a lesser degree) had continued to perform like he did last week, we'd also have mentioned him much more in the Clinic. It would have been the same with Cristian Scaroni if he had suddenly returned to greatness after his mysterious absence. That's recency bias for you, not hypocrisy.

It's not recency bias when the user I replied to directly comapred Pogacar to Vingegaard. Like I said before, point me to a rider from recent eras that has raced and won like Pogacar and later turned out to be a doper. Vingegaard has the same trajectory as Lance Armstrong and we know what Lance took.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

Time for his own clinic-thread.

forum.cyclingnews.com

You‘re free to write what you think about Vingegaard‘s doping program there. Hope this helps

I'll wait for you to explain to the audience what doping program Pogacar is on or are you just saying things because he beat your favorite rider?

 

[zlev11]

it rules when someone comes into one of these threads and thinks theres some kind of bias at work here. even if i was related to someone who did what Pogacar does i would probably accuse them of doping too.