Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[DONCA]

people like you

could you show me the part he says riders are using motors ? what we are doing its called prevention so nobody would even try.
Again, every winning bike goes in to xray but posters here just dont want to hear that

Can you send me reports of each winner's bike being scanned?

Can you send me reports that the UCI can be believed after protecting armstrong?

Can you send me reports that the UCI is stupid enough to score an own goal by convicting its biggest star of doping?

Again, only the UCI is "controlling" the bikes. There is no second instance responsible for control. For this reason, any doubt is justified.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a lightweight like Pogacar can beat the 500w FTP guys even on flat tracks and who is it possible to peak every day in the year.

 

[topt]

When do we admit we were wrong in thinking Indurain used EPO? It's been 30 years now.

so he has no chance, he is guilty without evidence; God bless you all

 

[topt]

Can you send me reports of each winner's bike being scanned?

Can you send me reports that the UCI can be believed after protecting armstrong?

Can you send me reports that the UCI is stupid enough to score an own goal by convicting its biggest star of doping?

Again, only the UCI is "controlling" the bikes. There is no second instance responsible for control. For this reason, any doubt is justified.

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a lightweight like Pogacar can beat the 500w FTP guys even on flat tracks and who is it possible to peak every day in the year.

i trully dont know how to explain things to people that are not there to see it; what UCI ? do you know how many people would have to be part of conspiracy so they would look away....you think we are lying by doing bike Xrays ? i dont judge TDF but my boss does.
easy; he is the best rider ever

 

[peterfin]

people like you

could you show me the part he says riders are using motors ? what we are doing its called prevention so nobody would even try.
Again, every winning bike goes in to xray but posters here just dont want to hear that

We don't have the data showing that every winning bike goes in to an x-ray. We don't even have the info that the x-ray is moved to every stage finish and is used.

I assume there is a necessity to believe there are no motors used simply because it has a much bigger negative impact on the sport than the usual doping stuff. I get that. However, without evidence to show us that it definitely doesn't happen, it has equal value as that guy today on the Ventoux that passed by me and kept yelling that the Earth is flat.

 

[Blobs]

so he has no chance, he is guilty without evidence; God bless you all

Have you ever believed that Indurain used EPO, but then at some point stopped believing it? I'm guessing that's not the case, due to the amount of "circumstantial evidence". It's the same thing with Pogacar. If you're convinced he's doing something illegal, you don't just stop believing that after a while, the same way you don't all of a sudden think OJ was innocent 20 years later.

 

[markene2]

How people can discount motors after recording smashing ventoux times lol. Let me quote my 4 year old posts with lots of videos of clear motordoping. And some additional paragraphs bellow.

Of course motor doping is in use, it was even in use back in 2010 with cancellara and breschel, breschel who was fuming after flanders since he got the wrong spare bike, the same race where cancellara litteraly motored away from boonen (go figure). Also Sky was notorius for motor usage, just watch Poels here motoring away up the Angliru lol.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEsH8F1Hvns


Also 2013, especially with Froome up ventoux with the leaked watt files, its clear as day he is using a motor, you can also see it from the spectators view its so stupid.

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Foliforovs famous tt in the giro, also ebike.

https://imgur.com/vKU4FFq

View: https://i.imgur.com/vKU4FFq.gif

Roglic had motor in the bike at Strade Bianche a few years back as the infrared spectator cam found out.

Now many top teams have it, you have to adapt or die out, as such sky/ineos dominance is more or less over as other teams have leveled the playing field.

Lets face it UCI has no interest in catching any of these guys, as with the useless ipad scam app. Spectators should set up ir cams during mountain stages on the roadside, i would guarante the bikes would glow. You would have to be emotionaly invested to belive otherwise.

Also the former french anti doping boss Jean-Pierre Verdy said he knew 12 riders where using motors in 2015 tour

"It's been the last three to four years when I was told about the use of the motors," Verdy said. "And in 2014, they told me there are motors. And they told me, there's a problem. By 2015, everyone was complaining and I said, something's got to be done."

Through insiders in the peloton, Verdy explained that he learned 12 riders used hidden motors in their bikes in the 2015 Tour.

source: Jean Pierre Verdy Interview

Greg Lemond literally says in this interview that he talked to pros at CSC that says motors where used.
Link to video: Greg lemond interview

He also says he strongly belive that Chris Froome used a motor up Ventoux as the leaked watt files and big seated attacks (sounds familiar?)
Link to video: Greg Lemond Interview

2017 investigation by Strade 2 and Corrie della Sera with thermal imagine showed motors being used in Strade Bianche.
Link to article: Thermal Scans Strade

A US television show has claimed that UCI officials prevented French law enforcement officers from removing the rear wheels of time trial bikes used by Team Sky at the 2015 Tour de France to check them for hidden motors.
Link to Article: Law enforcment refused search

I could honestly go on and on.

Point is, to call motordoping an absurd idea is bonkers. they are beating times that where thought to be unbeatable due to doping, even roglic and lipowitz broke Mayos TT Ventoux record.

UCI dont want to catch it and now its to late, would destroy the sport, end of story. Top notch doping programs + engine.

 

[Shakes]

Doping you can do alone. You don't need your team for it.

Motors in a bike... The whole team needs to be complicit. We had Roglic move from Visma to Red Bull. He then convinced them it's ok to have a motor as he was using it at Visma? Specialized thinks... sure. Good idea. That will boost sales! Or they are all already doing it? Then why doesn't someone have the balls to up the power beyond what Pogacar does? It's not something complex as a body with standard PEDs.

I said it in the earlier comment. Maybe I'll regret it later (seriously doubt it) but I don't believe in motors in bikes. Someone would go beserk soon and just literally fly. Froome was suspected of a motor but what it seems to be is just standard doping. That you can do without your team explicitly complicit. Motor you can't. So not likely at all.

Technologically possible? Of course. Used? I don't believe as it becomes a huge explicit conspiracy.

 

[DONCA]

i trully dont know how to explain things to people that are not there to see it; what UCI ? do you know how many people would have to be part of conspiracy so they would look away....you think we are lying by doing bike Xrays ? i dont judge TDF but my boss does.
easy; he is the best rider ever

Yes junior i think and i know that the UCI has already lied about checking every bike.
This is also one of the reasons why the UCI cannot be trusted.

UCI claimed: we test for hidden motors at every men’s and women’s WorldTour race with a trio of detection systems in place

reality: the world governing body didn’t test a single bike in the 2023 Giro d’Italia’s first two time trials, and at the Vuelta España, the x-ray machine – described as their best weapon against mechanical fraud – wasn’t used until the final week

And these are just a few examples of investigative journalists. I was able to observe with my own eyes how at Milano San Remo 2025 several bikes remained uncontrolled. Why should I trust the UCI?

Many people were also involved to check many riders in the past like Armstrong and what happened?

Easy, he ist the best rider ever? Well, junior if this explains why a lightweight rider can keep up with heavy guns on flat races than i understand why you are a junior. Easy answer junior. You know why i have 3 legs? Because i am the best. Easy, isn´t it?

It is the biggest nonsense to say that motor doping does not exist and is a conspiracy when the UCI has already found a motor in its very first test.

'Getting away with it is shockingly easy': Five reasons why motor doping suspicions won't go away

Having spent over a year investigating motor doping, Chris Marshall-Bell examines the rumours and unanswered questions that remain

www.cyclingweekly.com

 

[Ripper]

so he has no chance, he is guilty without evidence; God bless you all

You use the word evidence, but I think you mean "proof". Because there is lots of evidence being discussed. Some of it is pretty damning (thinking of the Sky mess right now), some less so, and some really is hanging on by a thread. Is it proof? Well, once it is proof there is no more debate.

So, back to Big Mig - there is a fair bit of evidence it was not all talent and training. But of course it was not proven. But is it really a point of debate of what Big Mig was up to? I mean, that was a long, long time ago.

 

[Rotted Melon]

you can find a connection with epo dopers in every team; riders that were in EPO era are now old so they become team staff like was done through entire cycling history

I kinda find this a little queer about professional cycling. I don't know of any other sport where known, possibly convicted, dopers get to hang on to their previous profession and are not looked down upon or simply cast out.

Let's say you were busted for cheating in another sport, take Pete Rose for example in baseball. Guy was ended, completely ended and it's arguable that he didn't actually cheat. Let's take another look at our modern way of living. Let's say someone goes on a rant against a 'protected' social or racial group, their career is ended. They are probably doxxed into being unable to financially support themselves via the internet and social media.

Professional cycling however... Other than Lance and Floyd, who else has been ostracized to this extent? The names don't readily come to my mind, admittedly I am an armchair fan compared to most here. Hell, Cippolini has an entire bicycle company. Wasn't Richard Virenque (sp?) still involved with French cycling in some capacities. Riis??

If you're going to cheat in a sport, cycling is probably the most forgiving in the long run.

 

[E_F_]

The whole team needs to be complicit

Why?

I don't believe as it becomes a huge explicit conspiracy.

Since when are huge explicit conspiracies ruled out in cycling?

 

[jono]

I kinda find this a little queer about professional cycling. I don't know of any other sport where known, possibly convicted, dopers get to hang on to their previous profession and are not looked down upon or simply cast out.

Let's say you were busted for cheating in another sport, take Pete Rose for example in baseball. Guy was ended, completely ended and it's arguable that he didn't actually cheat. Let's take another look at our modern way of living. Let's say someone goes on a rant against a 'protected' social or racial group, their career is ended. They are probably doxxed into being unable to financially support themselves via the internet and social media.

Professional cycling however... Other than Lance and Floyd, who else has been ostracized to this extent? The names don't readily come to my mind, admittedly I am an armchair fan compared to most here. Hell, Cippolini has an entire bicycle company. Wasn't Richard Virenque (sp?) still involved with French cycling in some capacities. Riis??

If you're going to cheat in a sport, cycling is probably the most forgiving in the long run.

There are plenty of examples of cheaters in baseball. For steroid/PED cheats, they serve their suspensions (usually equivalent to about one half a season) and then rejoin the action. Organized cheating exists, like the Houston Astros pitch tipping scheme that won them the World Series. Most involved, including the manager, remain in baseball. There's even evidence that the league has been involved in manipulating outcomes, with certain baseballs that travel farther in 2023, being used almost exclusively in the All Star Game, playoffs, and Yankees home games (Aaron Judge home run chase).

The only reason Pete Rose was banned from baseball was because of the third rail that is gambling.

Many prominent NFLers have served PED suspensions. Typically they serve a 6 game or less suspension (roughly one third of a season) and rarely is it talked about afterwards.

There may be sports less forgiving of doping than cycling but American team sports are not it.

 

[ashhutch1997]

I kinda find this a little queer about professional cycling. I don't know of any other sport where known, possibly convicted, dopers get to hang on to their previous profession and are not looked down upon or simply cast out.

Let's say you were busted for cheating in another sport, take Pete Rose for example in baseball. Guy was ended, completely ended and it's arguable that he didn't actually cheat. Let's take another look at our modern way of living. Let's say someone goes on a rant against a 'protected' social or racial group, their career is ended. They are probably doxxed into being unable to financially support themselves via the internet and social media.

Professional cycling however... Other than Lance and Floyd, who else has been ostracized to this extent? The names don't readily come to my mind, admittedly I am an armchair fan compared to most here. Hell, Cippolini has an entire bicycle company. Wasn't Richard Virenque (sp?) still involved with French cycling in some capacities. Riis??

If you're going to cheat in a sport, cycling is probably the most forgiving in the long run.

The double standards in cycling is a joke.

 

[Divergence]

There's just something visually upsetting about watching Vingegaard stand up on the pedals and make a ridiculously forceful acceleration, which Pogi just easily follows while completely seated. The amount of torque needed to generate that sort of power seated is something you'd expect from ridiculous watt monsters like Cancellara, but here we have a light climber doing it ...

Oh, not again with the torque .

Btw, one thing that makes me quite suspicious about Pog getting an "edge" is how insecure he is when he rides with JV and how personal he is making it. Sprinting to the line on a MTF with no chance to win, just to take 2 seconds when he's up 4+ minutes is pretty indicative of that. Pog seems incredibly bitter about 2023 in particular and has a *massive* chip on his shoulder. It almost seems as though he wants to beat JV to the line in every single stage and in every category until the end of time. Even in bunch pelotons on flat stages it seems like he wants to cross ahead of JV.

That type of insecurity and obsession really signals someone who would do anything to get an edge.

He is not insecure. He wants to win and be better than his rivals. Nothing wrong about that.

 

[Hugh Januss]

There are plenty of examples of cheaters in baseball. For steroid/PED cheats, they serve their suspensions (usually equivalent to about one half a season) and then rejoin the action. Organized cheating exists, like the Houston Astros pitch tipping scheme that won them the World Series. Most involved, including the manager, remain in baseball. There's even evidence that the league has been involved in manipulating outcomes, with certain baseballs that travel farther in 2023, being used almost exclusively in the All Star Game, playoffs, and Yankees home games (Aaron Judge home run chase).

The only reason Pete Rose was banned from baseball was because of the third rail that is gambling.

Many prominent NFLers have served PED suspensions. Typically they serve a 6 game or less suspension (roughly one third of a season) and rarely is it talked about afterwards.

There may be sports less forgiving of doping than cycling but American team sports are not it.

Exactly, doping is just trying to win for the team while the idea of actively working to help your team lose a game for money (see The Black Socks) or even just the shaky ground of betting on games while playing in some of them flies in the face of all that fans hold dear.

 

[Psycat]

I kinda find this a little queer about professional cycling. I don't know of any other sport where known, possibly convicted, dopers get to hang on to their previous profession and are not looked down upon or simply cast out.

Let's say you were busted for cheating in another sport, take Pete Rose for example in baseball. Guy was ended, completely ended and it's arguable that he didn't actually cheat. Let's take another look at our modern way of living. Let's say someone goes on a rant against a 'protected' social or racial group, their career is ended. They are probably doxxed into being unable to financially support themselves via the internet and social media.

Professional cycling however... Other than Lance and Floyd, who else has been ostracized to this extent? The names don't readily come to my mind, admittedly I am an armchair fan compared to most here. Hell, Cippolini has an entire bicycle company. Wasn't Richard Virenque (sp?) still involved with French cycling in some capacities. Riis??

If you're going to cheat in a sport, cycling is probably the most forgiving in the long run.

It's truly weird.

Heck I would say even Lance is starting to get some traction again and you have always had the "everyone doped" crowd supporting him.

 

[Nomad]

Many prominent NFLers have served PED suspensions. Typically they serve a 6 game or less suspension (roughly one third of a season) and rarely is it talked about afterwards.

I'm very familiar with NFL PED policy: 6 game suspension without pay for an anabolic steroid, testosterone, HGH, SARMs, etc, positive, but only 2 games for a stimulant or masking agent use (hard to believe a masking agent gets you only 2 games when it's considered the same as a PED positive with most other sporting governing bodies).

Furthermore, TUEs are allowed for those players on prescription testosterone replacement therapy being treated for low T. There was an older player last year on TRT but he neglected to obtain a TUE subsequently serving a 2 game suspension. Lol.

 

[Stablo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947539378814796203

View: https://x.com/cyclismedopage/status/1947539378814796203?s=19


More intresting connections between the UAE&UCI. What a nice double role.

 

[DONCA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947539378814796203

View: https://x.com/cyclismedopage/status/1947539378814796203?s=19


More intresting connections between the UAE&UCI. What a nice double role.

One hand washes the other. UCI + UAE = money machine

Yesterday the identity of Ivan aka Mou was revealed. When he realized he was exposed he quickly deleted his Instagram profile photo and deleted some of his connections to UAE employees such as: Gorka Prieto.
Someone who has nothing to hide doesn't need to delete anything, right? First it was Froome who deleted all posts in connection with David Rozman and now Mou.

The doubts are not diminishing that he may be acting indirectly for UAE. Perhaps as a mouthpiece to spread the narrative of clean Pog. His favorite tool for this is the change of coach. He says Millan was a charlatan and praises Pog's new coach Sola. If Millan really has no idea, why is he still coaching UAE Rider?

Is it a coincidence that he shows up at the exact moment when Pogi's performance went completely crazy? It's also interesting that he has always railed against Iñigo San Millán (who is still employed). I wonder if this is more about distracting attention from Iñigo San Millán?

If you look at his past, it quickly becomes clear that he has coached many riders who have a history of doping.

His activity with the teams (very questionable teams)

-Vitalicio Seguros, Vini Caldirola, ONCE
-Saunier-Duval (ProTour)
-Team Astana (ca. 2007)

He looked after a number of prominent riders who were later convicted of doping:

-Joseba Beloki
-Abraham Olano
-Leonardo Piepoli
-David Millar
-Alexander Vinokourov
-Chris Horner

And that's exactly the guy who UAE is hiring. Why do you think?
There is also a connection between UAE employees and David Rozman (currently Ineos) who has just been exposed as an accomplice of doping doctor Mark S. from Germany. The direct and indirect environment of Team UAE is full of doping experts. No wonder they dominate cycling.

 

[Stablo]

One hand washes the other. UCI + UAE = money machine

Yesterday the identity of Ivan aka Mou was revealed. When he realized he was exposed he quickly deleted his Instagram profile photo and deleted some of his connections to UAE employees such as: Gorka Prieto.
Someone who has nothing to hide doesn't need to delete anything, right? First it was Froome who deleted all posts in connection with David Rozman and now Mou.

The doubts are not diminishing that he may be acting indirectly for UAE. Perhaps as a mouthpiece to spread the narrative of clean Pog. His favorite tool for this is the change of coach. He says Millan was a charlatan and praises Pog's new coach Sola. If Millan really has no idea, why is he still coaching UAE Rider?

Is it a coincidence that he shows up at the exact moment when Pogi's performance went completely crazy? It's also interesting that he has always railed against Iñigo San Millán (who is still employed). I wonder if this is more about distracting attention from Iñigo San Millán?

If you look at his past, it quickly becomes clear that he has coached many riders who have a history of doping.

His activity with the teams (very questionable teams)

-Vitalicio Seguros, Vini Caldirola, ONCE
-Saunier-Duval (ProTour)
-Team Astana (ca. 2007)

He looked after a number of prominent riders who were later convicted of doping:

-Joseba Beloki
-Abraham Olano
-Leonardo Piepoli
-David Millar
-Alexander Vinokourov
-Chris Horner

And that's exactly the guy who UAE is hiring. Why do you think?
There is also a connection between UAE employees and David Rozman (currently Ineos) who has just been exposed as an accomplice of doping doctor Mark S. from Germany. The direct and indirect environment of Team UAE is full of doping experts. No wonder they dominate cycling.

I also saw the expossing of Mou yeasterday. The story is truly very shady like the whole team of UAE is. Intresting connections and then people wonder why don't we believe that pog is cleanz.

 

[Notarobot]

wait what? Mou's identity was revealed? Ivan who? (not Ivanhoe)

 

[E_F_]

wait what? Mou's identity was revealed? Ivan who? (not Ivanhoe)

Just Ivan. All we really learned is that his Instagram had a profile picture of a guy in a track suit standing in front of some monument and a description which read "Ivan."

 

[Rob5091]

I also saw the expossing of Mou yeasterday. The story is truly very shady like the whole team of UAE is. Intresting connections and then people wonder why don't we believe that pog is cleanz.

Links, dear boy, links!

 

[Notarobot]

So what's the connection to UAE? What did we learn from the expose, how did he get exposed?

 

[Stablo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947552189150290350

View: https://x.com/SangFuglenBella/status/1947552189150290350?s=19


It's here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947926096210518441

View: https://x.com/HenningPrim/status/1947926096210518441?s=19


It's intresting now that we know who the guy/hustler is.