TdF 2018 stage 2: Mouilleron > La Roche-Sur-Yon 182,5 km

[Cance > TheRest]

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Not sure Kittel gets same time as leader he was not in bunch at 3k

Not that it matters ultimately

Amazing reaction from Gaviria to get back on bike so quickly not that it matters either

He had his fair share of crashes already, he knows the drill.

I'm happy to see that you've developed a sense of humor to cope with the (sometimes comical) shortcomings that your golden boy has suffered, Akuryo. If all Gaviria fans were like you, this forum would be a better place

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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How come Kittel in 4o on GC??
did he make it back??

The race was neutralized at the crash point!

But the whole race is not meant to be neutralised. Riders can expect to have the time of the group they were in at the time of the incident. It is not practical to monitor what group riders were in at every moment of the last 3km, but there should surely be some way of recording groups at the 3km point. Given his lack of urgency after his puncture, it seems most unlikely that Kittel had rejoined the main peloton by the 3km. In this case, it doesn't matter, but what if it had been a GC rider who had punctured at 7km and didn't get back.

The problem arises in cases like (I think) 2012 TdF stage 1, when Contador, among other GC contenders were behind at 3km to go because of an earlier incident. There was another incident within the 3km marker, which didn't directly impinge on Contador and his companions, but they got caught up in riders soft pedalling to the line knowing that their times were protected.

 

[grumpycabbie]

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Degenkolb was nowhere near Sagan's speed.

...after he was cut off by Sagan!

He was nowhere Sagan's speed when he started this stage today. Moves like this happen all the time.

What I could see over the years - Sagan is fighting pretty much every one in almost every race he started , Gaviria now, Greipel and couple of years ago Cav were fighting Sagan, Kittel is fighting for your hair and Degenkolb is fighting everything ( other riders, flies, side barriers, pesky handlebars, road furniture, mechanicals , menacing crowds and a whole lot more...)

 

[Unchained]

With lots of pretty slender roads,round-a-bouts , traffic furniture and increased
spectator density... and second stage.. the officials should do whatever they can so riders.. and as important no support vehicles or motorcycles are encouraged to weave through downed riders.. so far everyone is standing up after these wrecks but if someone is out or dazed they need extra precautions to make sure nobody is..... not saying..
It could have been worse...
Demare is wicked fast..Froome popping up after going full farmer face plant!! Pretty impressive.
The Aussie bunch jamming back to the bunch in a TTT looking formation.. awesome racing
Seeing Sanchez hurting was bad..

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So on what grounds are Lampaert, Grellier, Vachon, Cousin and Terpstra docked time today, if others who were not in the peloton with 3k remaining were unpenalised?

Lampaert was actually the very first man across the 3km line.

 

[del1962]

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So on what grounds are Lampaert, Vachon, Cousin and Terpstra docked time today, if others who were not in the peloton with 3k remaining were unpenalised?

Lampaert was actually the very first man across the 3km line.

It’s bizarre no logic to it

 

[Escarabajo]

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Impey caused the crash

Watch the replay - It wasn't Impey's fault.

They showed several replays on NBC sports and it looked like Impey was the first one to fall. Maybe he hit a barrier or something, I don't know. If you have different theory please lay it out. I don't have a problem with listening different theories.

 

[Lequack]

31 Big Photos from Stage 2 (descriptions to come) — corvos/aso/flockton/bettini
http://www.steephill.tv/2018/tour-de-france/photos/stage-02/

 

[shalgo]

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So on what grounds are Lampaert, Vachon, Cousin and Terpstra docked time today, if others who were not in the peloton with 3k remaining were unpenalised?

Lampaert was actually the very first man across the 3km line.

It’s bizarre no logic to it

They finally corrected the results to reflect that Kittel was not in the peloton with 3 km to go.

 

[Jancouver]

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Sagan should be the favorite for a stage like this. The only other question is what gc rider will lose more time or even dnf.

He is a reliable 2nd or 3rd place pick, but he just doesn't have the speed to be the one going away into the wind against the sprint field full on. He may beat Gaviria, or Kittel (again) but enough of the sprint field is still faster than Sagan outright.

I think Jancouver means because it's slightly uphill

I don't agree though. The incline is the same as the finish at the Doha worlds and Cavendish was way faster there

Ha, both of you were wrong... once again ...

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Sagan should be the favorite for a stage like this. The only other question is what gc rider will lose more time or even dnf.

He is a reliable 2nd or 3rd place pick, but he just doesn't have the speed to be the one going away into the wind against the sprint field full on. He may beat Gaviria, or Kittel (again) but enough of the sprint field is still faster than Sagan outright.

I think Jancouver means because it's slightly uphill

I don't agree though. The incline is the same as the finish at the Doha worlds and Cavendish was way faster there

Ha, both of you were wrong... once again ...

How exactly did today's stage change what I said, that Cavendish was far faster at Doha?
As for the other poster you quoted, I'm sure it has nothing to do with 99% of the field being taken out in a crash, right?

I know you're being flippant, but you realize that aggression you display in your posts is precisely why so many people dislike Sagan fans and by extension Sagan himself. Sagan eventually mellowed, but many of his fans haven't.

If only you could be less like Sagan used to be and more like he is now

I gotta follow Netserk's advice and stop coming to this forum in July. It's like Cavendish fans circa 2010, just a never ending storm of arrogance.

 

[Koronin]

Jancouver, I'm sure you're happy with today's finish along with the yellow for tomorrow. Besides he wouldn't be wearing rainbows tomorrow for the TTT anyway so may as well have a leaders jersey.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Those ski goggles with the ridiculously wide band are not something that Sagan wears while riding, and not part of his team kit: why is he allowed to have them on the podium?

 

[Screecher]

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Those ski goggles with the ridiculously wide band are not something that Sagan wears while riding, and not part of his team kit: why is he allowed to have them on the podium?

Sagan's sponsor. They pay him to wear them during podium ceremonies. As to why he's allowed to wear them i have no idea.

 

[Jancouver]

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Sagan should be the favorite for a stage like this. The only other question is what gc rider will lose more time or even dnf.

He is a reliable 2nd or 3rd place pick, but he just doesn't have the speed to be the one going away into the wind against the sprint field full on. He may beat Gaviria, or Kittel (again) but enough of the sprint field is still faster than Sagan outright.

I think Jancouver means because it's slightly uphill

I don't agree though. The incline is the same as the finish at the Doha worlds and Cavendish was way faster there

Ha, both of you were wrong... once again ...

How exactly did today's stage change what I said, that Cavendish was far faster at Doha?
As for the other poster you quoted, I'm sure it has nothing to do with 99% of the field being taken out in a crash, right?

I know you're being flippant, but you realize that aggression you display in your posts is precisely why so many people dislike Sagan fans and by extension Sagan himself. Sagan eventually mellowed, but many of his fans haven't.

If only you could be less like Sagan used to be and more like he is now

I gotta follow Netserk's advice and stop coming to this forum in July. It's like Cavendish fans circa 2010, just a never ending storm of arrogance.

In my original post, I made a polite suggestion that Sagan should be favorite for this stage and both of you came out swinging at me telling how wrong I'm about my prediction.

Now, when I pointed out you were both wrong, in your opinion I'm showing an aggression ... LOL :lol:

It's funny how you guys always try to turn in around.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Those ski goggles with the ridiculously wide band are not something that Sagan wears while riding, and not part of his team kit: why is he allowed to have them on the podium?

Why should he not(don't wear the the cap either, while riding)?

 

[GuyIncognito]

"I don't agree". My exact words.
Yeah, I really "came out swinging", to use your words. Clearly a personal attack there. Especially the part where I tried to explain your side to the other poster.

Must be fun to live in a world of fantasy.

Anyway, I'm abiding by Netserk's advice. Have a fun July talking to yourself.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The cap is a long established part of cycling kit, and is team issue.

Carrying his own sponsorship items that are unrelated to cycling and its traditions is ridiculous. Of course the podium (and the whole sport) is all about providing a billboard, but there are surely some regulations, otherwise what? McDonald's helium balloons? A sweatband promoting his favourite local pizza parlour? Coming onto the podium pushing a wheelbarrow to promote his brother-in-law's garden services company?

 

[tobydawq]

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The cap is a long established part of cycling kit, and is team issue.

Carrying his own sponsorship items that are unrelated to cycling and its traditions is ridiculous. Of course the podium (and the whole sport) is all about providing a billboard, but there are surely some regulations, otherwise what? McDonald's helium balloons? A sweatband promoting his favourite local pizza parlour? Coming onto the podium pushing a wheelbarrow to promote his brother-in-law's garden services company?

:lol: :lol: I don't think there should be regulations against this specifically!

 

[Escarabajo]

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Those ski goggles with the ridiculously wide band are not something that Sagan wears while riding, and not part of his team kit: why is he allowed to have them on the podium?

I was going to ask the same question. That looks weird and funny.

 

[Escarabajo]

Times were adjusted after all:

Provisional results showed he finished 162nd, three minutes down on Sagan. However the first set of official results issued at 5:52 p.m., indicated he had been given the same time as the riders involved in the crash two kilometres from the finish. That decision and the result was deemed to be correct only for it to be changed four hours later. Kittel is now 138th overall in the latest overall classification, some 4:14 back.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-officials-make-late-revisions-to-stage-2-results/

 

[Unchained]

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Those ski goggles with the ridiculously wide band are not something that Sagan wears while riding, and not part of his team kit: why is he allowed to have them on the podium?

Not sure this will put anything to rest but here goes.. here in the US..ski goggles have become the uniform of the day for celebrations involving champagne..all our championship teams wear them in the post victory.. bottle used as a squirt gun...off the hook celebration.. hockey, football ,soccer basket and baseball... the Moto gp guys and Formula 1 guys have stronger eyes because they blast each other directly in the face and eyes w bubbly .. motocross racers take off their goggles and shoot each other while doing crazy shake ups on the bottle..
Maybe Sagan is just anticipating that his pals on the podium are going to go crazy!?!?!
I guess I am bent a little because Cav wore some home size Beats headphones..he looked right off an NBA bus..he sprinted like basketball may be his sport....

 

[Leinster]

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Cav wore some home size Beats headphones..he looked right off an NBA bus..he sprinted like basketball may be his sport....

Like he was riding a 64cm frame..?

 

[Leinster]

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Since people often get confused by the different kits... It's between Yellow (Gaviria), Green (Sagan) and White (Groenewegen). And of course a Kittel in red
Placed a 5,- bet for Groenewegen to take the stage. Quickstep will have to work earlier and less able to orchestrate the sprint.

Sagan is gonna be riding in rainbow. Our damn champion. Kittel in green.

Green has precedence. Sagan rides in green.

Since he's not actually leading the points competition, Sagan has the choice to ride in the rainbow stripes, which he has chosen to do.

Question; if he was Slovak champion and not world champion, could he still opt not to wear green?

And to follow up, if he had no championship jersey to wear, could he have opted not to wear the green as 2nd placed rider? And when the honour fell to Kittel, could he in turn have refused?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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Question; if he was Slovak champion and not world champion, could he still opt not to wear green?

Yes

And to follow up, if he had no championship jersey to wear, could he have opted not to wear the green as 2nd placed rider? And when the honour fell to Kittel, could he in turn have refused?

No

But if the top finishers in stage 1 had been Gaviria, Sagan, Jungels, G Izagirre, Grmay, Impey, Kristoff, Postlberger etc, how far down the field would it have been deemed suitable to pass the green?