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As a pure Sky fanboy: it was a disgusting stage.
What to say, Bernal in top form should try to win in 2022.
Independently Ineos really must try to buy out Pogacar contract.
Bernal also stands no chance against the slovenians. The only way to bernal beat the Slovenians is a tour de france without crs and with finish stages above 2000m.
The only way to ineos win the tour next years, is buy a young top rider.
 
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As a pure Sky fanboy: it was a disgusting stage.
What to say, Bernal in top form should try to win in 2022.
Independently Ineos really must try to buy out Pogacar contract.
It doens't look good, but it's only stage 2. A lot can still happen (wind, crashes etc.).

Regarding buying Pogacar, can't see it. UAE has money, long 5y contract, no way they sell him.
 
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It doens't look good, but it's only stage 2. A lot can still happen (wind, crashes etc.).

Regarding buying Pogacar, can't see it. UAE has money, long 5y contract, no way they sell him.
Come on. It's like judging Contador's GC form based on 3rd Cat climb. Thomas kind of disappointing but you never know, maybe some gastro problems etc. I understand that Roglic and Pogacar are super strong. But are they as strong to burn some matches on first 2 stages? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them pays the iron price later on a proper MTF.
 
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Come on. It's like judging Contador's GC form based on 3rd Cat climb. Thomas kind of disappointing but you never know, maybe some gastro problems etc. I understand that Roglic and Pogacar are super strong. But are they as strong to burn some matches on first 2 stages? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them pays the iron price later on a proper MTF.
This is Pogacar & Roglic we're talking about. If anything, it looked like they were looking at each other & still just casually rode away whenever they wanted.

I doubt either went full gas today (or yesterday).
 

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Bernal also stands no chance against the slovenians. The only way to bernal beat the Slovenians is a tour de france without crs and with finish stages above 2000m.
The only way to ineos win the tour next years, is buy a young top rider.
And because the only chance to France to win the Tour is to create the route without such stages - yes, such riders as Bernal wouldn't have any opportunities to win.
 
As a pure Sky fanboy: it was a disgusting stage.
What to say, Bernal in top form should try to win in 2022.
Independently Ineos really must try to buy out Pogacar contract.
Ineos did what SkyIneos always did: impose themselves on the peloton with brute force power leading into the final climb.

Their problem is the fact they were nowhere near the strongest once the small climb started & everyone exploded. No peak Froome, no peak Thomas, no Bernal = no party, so unless they radically rethink their strategy (i.e. a strategy which worked for them in Romandie, Dauphiné & the Giro just recently because they had the strongest riders in those races), they'll be nowhere in the fight for yellow.
 

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This is Pogacar & Roglic we're talking about. If anything, it looked like they were looking at each other & still just casually rode away whenever they wanted.

I doubt either went full gas today (or yesterday).
Yes. Pog & Rog vs. GT & RC.
  1. It looks like there is no way to achieve any secs in stages like yesterday's or today's. The huge problem is not to lose any secs.
  2. The same with long MTF. Maybe Carapaz may get some secs, but not enough;
  3. ITT. Yes, ITT looks like the only way for Thomas to gain some secs. First of ITT just to stay in competition, the second (having Roglic 3rd week in mind) - to compensate all losses.
Probability for GT win: maybe a few %, boookies never lose.
 
The train only works if your leader is one of the strongest in the race, like with Bernal at the Giro. If I was Ineos DS I'd tell the team leaders let Jumbo/UAE do all the work and either follow wheels or attack, meanwhile Kwiatkowski and the other doms can go stage hunting. Will never happen unfortunately
 
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The train only works if your leader is one of the strongest in the race, liek with Bernal at the Giro. If I was Ineos DS I'd tell the team leaders let Jumbo/UAE do all the work and either follow wheels or attack, meanwhile Kwiatkowski and the other doms can go stage hunting. Will never happen unfortunately
It only works if your leader is the stronger in the race.
 

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