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exactly.. but the original topic of discussion was the suggestion that the T-Mobile cycling sponsorship and other ones like Ineos were intended to unite corporate employees by giving them some laundry to cheer
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I thought it was TMobiles sport sponsorhip in general, rather than cycling specifically, cycling was simply low cost compared to all the other bits they were engaged in.

like theyve sponsored Bayern Munich football team for 20 years now.
 
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I saw Ganna was taken off the startlist for Roubaix… Well, it‘s still few months ahead, but is that possible? Ganna was very promising at Roubaix recently.

Whom do Ineos then want to win Roubaix for them?

I fear this could become another complicated year for Ineos. On paper, they have lots of „1b riders“, hardly any „1a riders“. I also do not really see a clear strategy - where to the team wants to move.

I actually see Visma, UAE and Bahrain at the top, 1a. Ineos, Soudal and Bora nowadays are rather 1b.

Good to see Bernal and Sheffield back, soon. Poor guys had to go through some difficult times. May they stay healthy, and enjoy racing. Their comebacks were already promising.
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He is eschewing the big northern classics this year to concentrate on the Giro and Olympics (Track/TT), as Evenepoel and a year-older Tarling will be tough to beat.

Ben Turner will be their man for Roubaix, 11th working for DVB 2 years ago and he started off excellently last season, before a series of misfortunes. It is a shame Geriant Thomas isn't going but he still thinks he has a year of Grand Tours left.

Magnus Sheffield is the real deal too, I believe has potential to be in a Wiggins/Dumoulin mould of GC rider, he was up there in Suisse with climbers he had no business being with before the fall at a very young age.

People are being quite reactionary towards them, their generational GC riders both had life threatening crashes, though I am concerned about Bernal overcompensating a bit I.E doing 2 GTs in his first year back, going on obscene 300km training rides etc.
 
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awavey said:
I thought it was TMobiles sport sponsorhip in general, rather than cycling specifically, cycling was simply low cost compared to all the other bits they were engaged in.

like theyve sponsored Bayern Munich football team for 20 years now.
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This probably wasn’t true for many Americans, but when I started looking into buying my 1st cell phone, the first service provider I looked at was T-Mobile because they had a cycling team and I always liked the pink Telekom/T-Mobile jerseys.
 
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This week here in the forum, I saw a list of the 2024 budgets of the WT teams. I searched for it now for 10 minutes, but haven’t found it any more.

According to the list Ineos are the third „wealthiest“ team, closely behind Visma and UAE.

I mean, nowadays one almost has to mention that Ineos do not spend their cycling team budget very well. If you read the rider list for 2024, you wouldn’t think they are #3. If the budget is really that big, many of their riders might be „overpaid“. In fact, they hardly have any big stars, any more. Since this Corona pandemic stuff, the results have never been what they were beforehand.

I fear in the biggest races, they mostly will go home empty-handed, in 2024…
 
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Skijumper Roglic fan said:
This week here in the forum, I saw a list of the 2024 budgets of the WT teams. I searched for it now for 10 minutes, but haven’t found it any more.

According to the list Ineos are the third „wealthiest“ team, closely behind Visma and UAE.

I mean, nowadays one almost has to mention that Ineos do not spend their cycling team budget very well. If you read the rider list for 2024, you wouldn’t think they are #3. If the budget is really that big, many of their riders might be „overpaid“. In fact, they hardly have any big stars, any more. Since this Corona pandemic stuff, the results have never been what they were beforehand.

I fear in the biggest races, they mostly will go home empty-handed, in 2024…
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It's in the Bora thread few pages back before all the tdf lineup speculation, and after all the Red Bull stuff
 
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it was weird that GCN first reported he'd resigned, which seemed a weird way to frame it as you dont resign if the parent company who owns both things youve ended up working for and just changes your job title which basically is a promotion, and then followed it almost immediately with another article that said, oh but nothings changed it was just badly worded what had happened :confused_old:

but I cant remember the last time he was doorstepped at a GT for an interview, but maybe thats a reflection of how Ineos have been doing lately, which arguably highlights he hasnt been doing this overarching Ineos Sports role, because how has Ineos ended up sort of looking as lost lately as they have.
 
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The Brits no longer want to go to Ineos. Pay is better else where apparently, so a reconstruction and new management is under way.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ve-brailsfords-impact-at-the-ineos-grenadiers
"What Dave wasn’t the best at, and he’d probably admit it, he wasn’t good at developing talent. When you’ve got the money that they have, then you just buy the talent. Now you’ve got, over the last few years, a sway of Brits not wanting to ride for Team Sky or INEOS. They want to go elsewhere,” Smith continues. “Dave wasn’t a guru or anything like that. What he was good at was surrounding himself with the best people who could plug those holes. He brought in people who were at the top of their game and that was a golden period for them. But they all come to an end, you just have to look at Manchester United to see that."

The difference in the attitude of British youngsters now compared to the early days of the team is vast believes Smith. “I’m not sure what other holes he could plug in the team. It’s quite sad, I can remember kids like Luke Rowe and all they wanted to do was ride for Team Sky and now you’ve got Ben Tulett and other British riders wanting to go to other teams like Team Visma | Lease a Bike," he notes. "That’s my take and I have a lot of respect for Dave, and I hope he does well but let's see what he can do.”
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Rob5091 said:
The Brits no longer want to go to Ineos. Pay is better else where apparently, so a reconstruction and new management is under way.

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ve-brailsfords-impact-at-the-ineos-grenadiers
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think Smithy is over egging that pudding, what talent did Sky/Ineos buy in exactly to plug a gap they were missing ? Bernal maybe, but Wiggo, Froome, Thomas, Tao Id argue were all developed within the Sky/Ineos setup.

and Id have thought it was blindingly obvious why young British riders want to go join a team like Team Visma thesedays, instead of Ineos, just look at the results.

Ive no idea if Dave will bring anything to Man Utd, they seem pretty sclerotic as an organisation
 
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awavey said:
think Smithy is over egging that pudding, what talent did Sky/Ineos buy in exactly to plug a gap they were missing ? Bernal maybe, but Wiggo, Froome, Thomas, Tao Id argue were all developed within the Sky/Ineos setup.

and Id have thought it was blindingly obvious why young British riders want to go join a team like Team Visma thesedays, instead of Ineos, just look at the results.

Ive no idea if Dave will bring anything to Man Utd, they seem pretty sclerotic as an organisation
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The first three riders were older riders when they joined Sky. Only Geoghan Hart joined asa true neo pro - Sky does not have a good record at developing young talent.
 
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Narvaez is an interesting rider: a climber with a sprint who can ride the spring Classics. Or is he a classics rider who can sprint at the end but also climb well?

Seems to be he can ride every style of race.
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A very talented all-rounder, i don't see him as a climber. I feel he's overlooked at Ineos though. Was already showing he had a big engine 3 or 4 years ago.
 
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yaco said:
The first three riders were older riders when they joined Sky. Only Geoghan Hart joined asa true neo pro - Sky does not have a good record at developing young talent.
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they were but Smithy is suggesting Sky bought success, but none of them were considered GT winners, even if you felt they had the potential, before they signed for Sky, so they must have been developed somehow within Sky/Ineos

Tao is probably the only young rider they developed into a GT winner, so far, but you could argue the era within which Sky/Ineos were fairly dominant, they didnt need to develop more than 1 rider, Bernal was hailed as the next gen GT rider for them post Froome, but his crash and major injury/recovery curtailed that, following Froomes major injury/recovery and exposed that Tao was their only next rider in line, and would you believe he then gets caught in another major injury/recovery situation.

at which point the Sky/Ineos only buy success theory would suggest they go out and sign some big name rider to plug the hole, but they didnt, if anything they were the least active team buying or signing new riders in the transfer window.
 
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yaco said:
The first three riders were older riders when they joined Sky. Only Geoghan Hart joined asa true neo pro - Sky does not have a good record at developing young talent.
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Thomas was part of the British setup up from 15.
Frome was a nothing rider going nowhere, signed purely because he had a British passport and was available as part of the Barlowwold out of work group. All his development was with Sky.
Even Wiggins was a Brailsford boy from a young age, drifting through French teams to top up his wages whilst winning gold medals. Yes he had one good year in 2009 before Sky existed . Even then Brailsford was most likely dragging him out of pubs, kicking him up the proverbial and convincing him he had the talent.
 
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