Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[GuyIncognito]

You know what would be fantastic? If you learned to read posts thoroughly before replying

Staff list, 2011

Name any other date, I'll fetch the staff for you. No Leinders.

 

[sniper]

Just because they didn't come and tell you personally, it doesn't mean they where hiding.

Agreed, i think.
but once the news went viral brailsford did everything he could to downplay the role of leinders. Yet there he was at the vuelta, not the smallest of races.
Did leinders ever do the tdf with sky?

 

[sniper]

You know what would be fantastic? If you learned to read posts thoroughly before replying

Staff list, 2011

Name any other date, I'll fetch the staff for you. No Leinders.

Lol, excellent find

 

[TailWindHome]

You know what would be fantastic? If you learned to read posts thoroughly before replying

Staff list, 2011

Name any other date, I'll fetch the staff for you. No Leinders.

Does that web page list 'Every single member of staff minus Leinders'?

Who are the medical doctors on that list?

 

[deValtos]

You know what would be fantastic? If you learned to read posts thoroughly before replying

Staff list, 2011

Name any other date, I'll fetch the staff for you. No Leinders.

Just want to point out that's not a staff list. That's a list of the management. A full staff list would be four or five times larger including carers/mechanics/chefs etc

 

[GuyIncognito]

Steve Peters

 

[Benotti69]

You know what would be fantastic? If you learned to read posts thoroughly before replying

Staff list, 2011

Name any other date, I'll fetch the staff for you. No Leinders.

Wow! look at that list of names, so much doping experience and people want to believe Sky are clean, hahahaha, I have a pyramid scheme you will be very interested in.

 

[Benotti69]

Does that web page list 'Every single member of staff minus Leinders'?

Who are the medical doctors on that list?

Sean Yates, De Jongh, Jullich, Ellingworth............

 

[TailWindHome]

Steve Peters

Ok. Fair point. A shrink is a 'medical doctor'

Let me ask the question another way.

Have you web page you could post which lists the full medical staff but from which Leinders has been omitted or hidden?

 

[deValtos]

Steve Peters

He's a sports psychiatrist ...
There's a lot of great reasons to list why Sky are doping ... so can you stop floundering about with misleading and incorrect posts.

 

[TailWindHome]

He's a sports psychiatrist ...
There's a lot of great reasons to list why Sky are doping ... so can you stop floundering about with misleading and incorrect posts.

You could also respond to the point.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

cut the conspiracy strawman. U,r the only one seeing/talking conspiracies.

Well I'm no Chomsky but what would you call hiring Leinders to secretly facilitate doping if not a conspiracy? A misunderstanding?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Does that web page list 'Every single member of staff minus Leinders'?

Who are the medical doctors on that list?

Maybe it should list "Person who will stop any more soigneurs from dying", wouldn't you think?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You've not actually addressed the issue here which is whether a loss of upper body muscle is possible without compromising the power the lower body can deliver.

You say not. I say it is. I provided an explanation. This may be a poor explanation but it's better than simply saying "boring". Up your game, man!

I was thinking about this today, and wondering how someone who is actually racing and training on the road is gaining muscle bulk. Yes, Wiggo had a track focus, but he sure as hell was still riding and racing on protour teams on the road, pretty much the rest of the year.

And despite it being a track event, other than the start, upper body muscle doesn't do much for a pursuiter. You're sitting down after a lap or less, and weight in the corners - muscle or otherwise - is not an advantage, the opposite is truer. The first lap is 1/16 of the race, and you can lose say 1 second on a bad vs a good start at that level, which is ~1/240th of the event duration.

My guess is there was far less upper body muscle to lose than some people think.

They may be track riders, but they're still doing 20,000 km a year training.

 

[sniper]

Well I'm no Chomsky but what would you call hiring Leinders to secretly facilitate doping if not a conspiracy? A misunderstanding?

strawman.
Cut it out please, thanks.

 

[Ferminal]

I was thinking about this today, and wondering how someone who is actually racing and training on the road is gaining muscle bulk. Yes, Wiggo had a track focus, but he sure as hell was still riding and racing on protour teams on the road, pretty much the rest of the year.

And despite it being a track event, other than the start, upper body muscle doesn't do much for a pursuiter. You're sitting down after a lap or less, and weight in the corners - muscle or otherwise - is not an advantage, the opposite is truer. The first lap is 1/16 of the race, and you can lose say 1 second on a bad vs a good start at that level, which is ~1/240th of the event duration.

My guess is there was far less upper body muscle to lose than some people think.

They may be track riders, but they're still doing 20,000 km a year training.

Keep in mind that Wiggins generated more power aerobically than the typical pursuiter.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Keep in mind that Wiggins generated more power aerobically than the typical pursuiter.

Allegedly, even though there was no confirmation anywhere via test results (oh that pearl again) or even quotes from coaches directly involved in coaching him.

And at this hour of the evening I cannot work out if that means he would avoid the handicap of upper body muscle or hmmm ok yes you would, because lowered anaerobic work capacity means your start should be slower but your endurance more powerful.

So on the <= 4 min power-duration curve, he has a lower starting point, but a shallower curve / slower drop off to VO2max minutes?

Is that your point?

Too tired

 

[Ferminal]

Don't think I had a point apart from a chance to take the **** out of that "fact".

Maybe if McGee didn't sacrifice his upper body weight he would have won in Athens... Oh wait, he did the best times of his career there.

 

[gooner]

Such a secret relationship, he was turning up at races in Sky gear as an official employee.

 

[Benotti69]

Such a secret relationship, he was turning up at races in Sky gear as an official employee.

Lucky for Leinders no journalists turned up the those races.

 

[Benotti69]

worth putting here from neineinei in 'Spain testing' thread

Originally Posted by neineinei
Bradley Wiggins was ABP tested exactly zero times by his national federation and NADO the year he won TdF and ITT Olympic gold. The same goes for TdF runner up, Vuelta 4th and ITT Olympic bronze medal winner, Chris Froome, not ABP tested even once by his national federation or NADO. It was up to Pat to ABP test them. Wiggins, Froome, Cavendish and the rest of the British Olympic road race team was ABP tested by their national federation and NADO just as many times as Uran and Vinokurov was. 0 times.

No wonder they are not testing positive. Cant test positive if you are not tested.

Glad David Walsh did his homework on how many times Sky were tested.

 

[The Hitch]

Is that true? wow, if so that is a big deal.

 

[burning]

But, that passport thingy is working so well to catch cheaters

 

[the sceptic]

But, that passport thingy is working so well to catch cheaters

the bio passport no longer needs testing. It has become magic.

it now works on faith alone. If you are british, and say to yourself "the biopassport works" then it does.

 

[SundayRider]

I was thinking about this today, and wondering how someone who is actually racing and training on the road is gaining muscle bulk. Yes, Wiggo had a track focus, but he sure as hell was still riding and racing on protour teams on the road, pretty much the rest of the year.

And despite it being a track event, other than the start, upper body muscle doesn't do much for a pursuiter. You're sitting down after a lap or less, and weight in the corners - muscle or otherwise - is not an advantage, the opposite is truer. The first lap is 1/16 of the race, and you can lose say 1 second on a bad vs a good start at that level, which is ~1/240th of the event duration.

My guess is there was far less upper body muscle to lose than some people think.

They may be track riders, but they're still doing 20,000 km a year training.

This. He didn't go from muscular track rider to slim road rider. He went from slim road rider build to super super skinny road rider build.