Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[blackcat]

I was just about to post the same thing.

That's the most damning thing I've read on Sky (although I think Digger/Dim have referred to this method of losing weight/retaining power earlier in this thread?)

Technically speaking they aren't breaking any rules but it obviously goes completely against the spirit of them. The funny thing is that Sky have claimed they hardly ever use TUE's. A journalist or two should really look into that.

remember, corticosteroids, cortisone, anti-inflammatoris, corticoids, this class, they WERE ALWAYS AROUND!!!

ceteris paribus, all things being equal. This existed BEFORE, supposedly the anecdote, I reckon apocryphal, Ceccho, Claudio Cechhini gave Riis about 10 kg to lug up a long ascent.

And then Riss drops ~15lbs. Riis, not Riss. he drops the ~15lbs, and even tts better and rides gc.

!!!

So what has come into cycling, and other sports, beyond cortisone? see: Anna Ivanovic. with Wigans and Froome, Ivanovic is one of the calling cards.

maybe Djokovic too.

What has entered sports?

GW501516
Aicar
Lipotropin(AOD-9604)

ofcourse, like all drugs, different people will have different responses. I actually dont buy the Armstrong was a good responder theory. I think p'raps like Riis, he just had the best doctor, and the most comprehensive suite of pharmaceuticals, indeed, a peripatetic cyling pharmacy.

 

[blackcat]

I was just about to post the same thing.

That's the most damning thing I've read on Sky (although I think Digger/Dim have referred to this method of losing weight/retaining power earlier in this thread?)

Technically speaking they aren't breaking any rules but it obviously goes completely against the spirit of them. The funny thing is that Sky have claimed they hardly ever use TUE's. A journalist or two should really look into that.

remember, corticosteroids, cortisone, anti-inflammatoris, corticoids, this class, they WERE ALWAYS AROUND!!!

ceteris paribus, all things being equal. This existed BEFORE, supposedly the anecdote, I reckon apocryphal, Ceccho, Claudio Cechhini gave Riis about 10 kg to lug up a long ascent.

And then Riss drops ~15lbs. Riis, not Riss. he drops the ~15lbs, and even tts better and rides gc.

!!!

So what has come into cycling, and other sports, beyond cortisone? see: Anna Ivanovic. with Wigans and Froome, Ivanovic is one of the calling cards.

maybe Djokovic too.

What has entered sports?

GW501516
Aicar
Lipotropin(AOD-9604)

ofcourse, like all drugs, different people will have different responses. I actually dont buy the Armstrong was a good responder theory. I think p'raps like Riis, he just had the best doctor, and the most comprehensive suite of pharmaceuticals, indeed, a peripatetic cyling pharmacy.

NB. caveat: Riis could do it buy simple means, caloric. But he never got Wigans/Froome/ lean, and in cycling equivalent, Djokovic/Ivanovic lean.

imagine if they could give Ullrich these peptides and pharmaceutical advantages to return to his 97 weight/lean(ness)

 

[Fzotrlool]

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/sick_froome_out_of_tirreno-adriatico/

Out of again with "sickness" this time of the year. Bad blood values? He did the exactly same thing last year.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/sick_froome_out_of_tirreno-adriatico/

Out of again with "sickness" this time of the year. Bad blood values? He did the exactly same thing last year.

Kennaugh didn't start Strade and apparently won't start Tirreno either. Still glowing?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Calorie deficit haha, whatever Dave. Surly if you go into calorie deficit for a long enough your body starts burning muscle as fuel?

If you're already skinny, yes. Not if you're 5 kg overweight but I doubt that was the case for Kennaugh.

 

[Franklin]

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/sick_froome_out_of_tirreno-adriatico/

Out of again with "sickness" this time of the year. Bad blood values? He did the exactly same thing last year.

I'd think bad blood values is unlikely as they could have found out before the race and entered someone else. Pulling Froome like this can't be seen as good for Sky.

Opinion: He's either sick, has a personal issue or there's something big in the pipeline (which I truly don't think, if only...).

 

[Benotti69]

Kennaugh didn't start Strade and apparently won't start Tirreno either. Still glowing?

Not wanting to risk the Italians remember his comment about not being tested on Tenerife as he was leaving the island while Nibali was going to be there for another week

 

[Fzotrlool]

I'd think bad blood values is unlikely as they could have found out before the race and entered someone else. Pulling Froome like this can't be seen as good for Sky.

Opinion: He's either sick, has a personal issue or there's something big in the pipeline (which I truly don't think, if only...).

I personally think it could be a combination of those three spiced up with extreme weight loss methods. The fact that Kennaugh is out too seems very odd to me.

It's almost a deja-vu from last year.

 

[Franklin]

We have five sick people at work too, all from one room. And I'd imagine they have a lot less contact than those pro's who drive around in groups, spit/sniff/share bottles/eat together/share rooms. This is considering we stilll have an official Flue epidemic. Absence numbers are of the scale in every sector of the economy.

I'm not having a shred of faith in Froome being "clean", so don't see this is as some silly git defending Sky. Just saying that a chest infection at this time of year isn't exactly a smoking gun. Heck, even if half a team would be reported as having the flue it would not be beyond belief (though I would be EXTREMELY interested in that story^^).

I could be wrong of course, so we will see if something develops.

 

[Benotti69]

We have five sick people at work too, all from one room. And I'd imagine they have a lot less contact than those pro's who drive around in groups, spit/sniff/share bottles/eat together/share rooms. This is considering we stilll have an official Flue epidemic. Absence numbers are of the scale in every sector of the economy.

I'm not having a shred of faith in Froome being "clean", so don't see this is as some silly git defending Sky. Just saying that a chest infection at this time of year isn't exactly a smoking gun. Heck, even if half a team would be reported as having the flue it would not be beyond belief (though I would be EXTREMELY interested in that story^^).

I could be wrong of course, so we will see if something develops.

Others have noted Sky's sickness spin

@Spitinthesoup ? 17 minutes ago

@oufeh Keywords found on http://teamsky.com , september 2014:

Injury (982)
Illness (501)
Infection (152)
Sickness (56)
Virus (51)

 

[gillan1969]

We have five sick people at work too, all from one room. And I'd imagine they have a lot less contact than those pro's who drive around in groups, spit/sniff/share bottles/eat together/share rooms. This is considering we stilll have an official Flue epidemic. Absence numbers are of the scale in every sector of the economy.

I'm not having a shred of faith in Froome being "clean", so don't see this is as some silly git defending Sky. Just saying that a chest infection at this time of year isn't exactly a smoking gun. Heck, even if half a team would be reported as having the flue it would not be beyond belief (though I would be EXTREMELY interested in that story^^).

I could be wrong of course, so we will see if something develops.

yup...just funny that if I'm ill it puts me back a week/ten days in terms of training...If froome is ill it's as though he were never ill as he come out the other end stronger...hell he even pummels the world TT champ when actually ill...

so no...a chest infection isn't a smoking gun (just a coincidence to add to all the others)...coming back stronger after a chest infection is and beating the world TT champ the gun is ablaze

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

So what has come into cycling, and other sports, beyond cortisone?

Nothing?

What has entered sports?

GW501516
Aicar
Lipotropin(AOD-9604)

But GW and AICAR are detectable.

 

[sniper]

Nothing?

But GW and AICAR are detectable.

AICAR afaik isn't tested for.
yes it is detecbale through a (complicated) urine test but with a controversial baseline value. And only Cologne can test for it, and it seems that the UCI under Cookson have been avoiding that lab (at least no TdF samples went there in 2013/14).
Perhaps deliebrately.
But i doubt even cologne would test for it, b/c as I said the baseline values are controversial, so a positive test would probably be easy to overturn in court.

 

[Benotti69]

Nothing?

But GW and AICAR are detectable.

As soon the tests are available for PEDs new undetectable versions appear. There are over 100 different variations of EPO available. Not all are detectable.

 

[blackcat]

Nothing?

But GW and AICAR are detectable.

but there will be some VERY LEAN people. Its on the spectrum.

see: jockeys and horseracing.

ceteris parisbus.

we have Wigans, who if a natural guy, lets say he is a storeman in London, or a wrench, he is about 191cm, and about 78 kg, doing 100 mile a week, not too many ales. only natural 20-something yo.

And Froome, a natural 100mile a week, 6 footer, 74kg. very lean.

But not jockey lean. not jockey gaunt.

with aicar and gw and lipotropin = jockey gaunt.

 

[blackcat]

But GW and AICAR are detectable.

point is, they were NOT in existence when Tyler and Rass were in the sport.

offseason can get them coming it at 68 for Wigans and 67 for Froome and they can lost another kg simply by preparing normally for a GT.

Wigans is 6'3" and 68kg?

good grief

sounds legit

 

[hrotha]

Can we all agree not to post that pic of Rasmussen ever again.

 

[Benotti69]

Can we all agree not to post that pic of Rasmussen ever again.

+1

10chara........

 

[Catwhoorg]

Can we all agree not to post that pic of Rasmussen ever again.

Seriously.

Its disturbing, but does highlight the disordered eating referred to in the report.


Something I found odd about the CIRC report, was the suggestion that corticosteroids require TUEs.

That's clearly not the case, when used OOC, which is where they are going to be used for weight-loss.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Agree. NO posting of chicken photos..includes Froome emaciated in see through skinsuit..

 

[mewmewmew13]

Others have noted Sky's sickness spin

Froome alone is a walking WHO danger...
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2673588/Chris-Froomes-secret-battle-Eight-doctors-six-clinics-four-countries-five-different-illnesses-remarkable-personal-struggle-Great-Britains-Tour-France-champion.html

courtesy of dim who called the whole scenario with Sky about two years ago at least..

 

[pastronef]

Can we all agree not to post that pic of Rasmussen ever again.

off topic
I find Hamilton's pick even more creepy. LOOK AT TYLER not Rasmussen. Tyler is the real starving rider there

 

[LaFlorecita]

off topic
I find Hamilton's pick even more creepy. LOOK AT TYLER not Rasmussen. Tyler is the real starving rider there

I think both are creepy

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/sick_froome_out_of_tirreno-adriatico/

Out of again with "sickness" this time of the year. Bad blood values? He did the exactly same thing last year.

It opens him up to in-competition testing. Or, he really is just sick.

Of course, he was DNS at a one-day race last year claiming illness then went onto win a stage race, from the first stage, that started a day or two later.

The guy generates huge uncertainty.

 

[DirtyWorks]

do you need TUEs for OOC use of corticoids?

It depends on if they are detected.

A cautious rider would have the TUE ready.

Fun fact: 2013 had 90-something podium positives explained away by TUE's.