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MartinGT said:
My beef was the way he got dropped on the Paterberg only to suddenly magically appear at the leading bunch just after with hardly a deep breath from him in sight!

Suddnely he's smashing it on the Kwaremont and then spends most of the time of the 3 breakaway riders on the front doing most of the work for 40kmish? Then 4km out he smashes it again and drops Stybar like he's just a sunday rider out with his other pal Sagan

But of course its his track pedigree that always him to do that. Yeh of course.

I did like Thomas, but his reaction to the CIRC report was a smash in the face. How dare they point the finger. Cycling is cleans, especially us Brits and Sky. How dare you Cookson, havent you spoke to your son or Walsh?

F@ck off.
With Thomas the most telling to me has always been his reaction to the news in 2012 that usada was going to investigate lance. Rather than happy like someone genuinely antidoping would be, he was angry that they wouldn't leave the champion alone.
 
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TheSpud said:
Makes me laugh too.

Perform all year - must be doping.
Have variable performances - must be doping.
Pull out because ill - must be doping.
Have a bad day - must the doping wearing off.
are you saying all riders should respond similarly to doping?
that'd be foolish.
more likely is that different riders use different programs, and respond differently to different kinds of dope.
doping will allow some to go full genius all year, but others will get sick after a peak. Some seem to have mastered the art of doping to the extent that they manage to peak all year, or peak only for their beloved races.
Variables such as natural hematocrit, weight, etc, play a role and ensure that different riders use different combinations of PEDs and respond differently to different PEDs.
timing is also important. some peak too early, while doping in the off-season.
And some dope both ooc and ic, others only ooc.
Some riders improve dramatically when they switch teams, suggesting they respond better to a different treatment.
One of the main objectives of the clinic, imo, is to discuss all that variation in performance from a doping perspective. To try and figure out how different performance patterns correlate with PEDs.
If you got a problem with that, rest assured, there's other places you can go to.
 
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TheSpud said:
Poursuivant said:
So what is this l-carnitine that Roche has used in the past? Has anyone ever tried it?
Its meant to help with weight / fat loss and muscle toning. You can get 100 capsules for about £7 on Amazon, which probably means it doesn't work.
Of course it doesn't work, hence Roche taking it over winter to lose weight. Nothing sold on amazon works. :rolleyes:
 
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Kokoso said:
What about König? How he "fits" into clinic theories? :)
Isnt he a domestique now?

Thomas Geraint only needed to learn not to fall of his bike every race he entered - read stop using Tramadol - and he would be a champion in the making. Everybody knows that. Just ask Claudio Corti. He is the real championsmaker.
 
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MartinGT said:
Thomas puts in a 4km time trial crosses the line hardly out of breath and then gives an interview again hardly out of breath.

:rolleyes:
He probably had plenty left in the tank. Remember, 4k is the track pursuit distance. No wonder Thomas owned the lowly road cyclists who don't even have track experience at the elite level.
 
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Re: Sky

Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Kokoso said:
What about König? How he "fits" into clinic theories? :)
Isnt he a domestique now?

Thomas Geraint only needed to learn not to fall of his bike every race he entered - read stop using Tramadol - and he would be a champion in the making. Everybody knows that. Just ask Claudio Corti. He is the real championsmaker.
He's both, leader and domestique, depends on race. Until Catalunya leader, now domestique. In longer teram he's leader for Giro. That isn't much of answer of yours anyway :rolleyes:
 
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Kokoso said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Kokoso said:
What about König? How he "fits" into clinic theories? :)
He's both, leader and domestique, depends on race. Until Catalunya leader, now domestique. In longer teram he's leader for Giro. That isn't much of answer of yours anyway :rolleyes:
Konig has shown to be a very talented rider, so I really havent got a theory for him. He will be a dom for a GT and will be doing a top 10 at the Vuelta later on. It is also his first year at WT level so lets see. Not a very exciting theory but it is the best I can give you.
 
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Oli Coyle ‏@OliCoyle Mar 27
Give me cycling fans over football fans any day of the week,at least cycling fans keep it respectful & are knowledgeable about their sport!

Teddy Cutler ‏@TeddyCutler
@OliCoyle Would rather an aggressive football fan than an aggressive Sky fan.

Oli Coyle ‏@OliCoyle Mar 27
@TeddyCutler Haha haven't encountered too many of those yet, Sky fans are generally just glory fans anyhow!
 
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sniper said:
Oli Coyle ‏@OliCoyle Mar 27
Give me cycling fans over football fans any day of the week,at least cycling fans keep it respectful & are knowledgeable about their sport!

Teddy Cutler ‏@TeddyCutler
@OliCoyle Would rather an aggressive football fan than an aggressive Sky fan.

Oli Coyle ‏@OliCoyle Mar 27
@TeddyCutler Haha haven't encountered too many of those yet, Sky fans are generally just glory fans anyhow!
I think most skyfans are actually pretty harmless. Most of the clinic insanity comes from just a few posters on 50 different accounts.
 
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deeno1975 said:
As a matter of interest what WAS your opinion when Lance and Postal were burning up the Tour? Were you appalled and wondered "What's the f**k is going on here?" Or did you buy the marginal gains, never tested positive, I've too much to loose if I test positive etc

Bottom line is Sky has well surpassed the Lance and US Postal level of suspicion and you may smirk but there is one big elephant in the room and burying your head in the sand does not mean he does not exist. Sky are at best suspicious and at worst (and probably more than likely) rotten to the core.
Foxxy is on record as not believing in Sky or Froome's cleanliness at all, actually, but wanting to redress the balance a bit given the perceived bias of the Clinic. Their way of achieving this is partly by deprecating the case against Sky or attacking the more rabid anti-Sky posters, but mainly by sideswiping every discussion in sight, whether it relates to Sky or not, to point out that actually everybody is fine and no problem except Chris Horner and Daniel Díaz.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Thomas is absurdly strong.
Interviewer: Do you do much off-bike training?

Thomas: I do some core work and some stretching but it is mainly on the bike stuff. During my off season I try to walk a bit to help burn off some of the excesses!
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... -de-france

jeez. somebody tell him there are much more effective ways to achieve that.
L-Carnitine, ooc cortisone. I thought Sky are all about exploiting that legal grey area?
 
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sniper said:
SeriousSam said:
Thomas is absurdly strong.
Interviewer: Do you do much off-bike training?

Thomas: I do some core work and some stretching but it is mainly on the bike stuff. During my off season I try to walk a bit to help burn off some of the excesses!
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... -de-france

jeez. somebody tell him there are much more effective ways to achieve that.
L-Carnitine, ooc cortisone. I thought Sky are all about exploiting that legal grey area?
Nothing as effective as swimming.
 
I'll say this, Thomas is very strong, but a rider like him, coming into the form of his life for a season is not some unprecedented event. It happens almost every spring, with someone. It isn't like Thomas got 5th in the Commonwealth TT one year, and then won the biggest GT two years later...
 
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