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lol. outside maybe anglophone people here there are no clinic forums anywhere because nobody cares and nobody believes. if you honestly think contador doing 5.8 watt per kg today on mortirollo is doping then it's the saddest doping we've ever seen
I respect this - I have no issue with any contador fan, froome fan, aru fan etc as long as they accept the reality - contador fans are cool - they accept he's doping and cheer him anyway - I have no issue with that - if they said he was clean, then that's a different issue.[/quote]Digger said:ferryman said:You think the clinic is populated by the average cycling fan?
To be fair, I think it probably just about is (apart from a complete bam pot or 12
Oh, and Venga Alberto
lol. outside maybe anglophone people here there are no clinic forums anywhere because nobody cares and nobody believes. if you honestly think contador doing 5.8 watt per kg today on mortirollo is doping then it's the saddest doping we've ever seen
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I honestly believed everyone was just taking the piss when saying stuff like "<6w/kg, must be cleans" up to now
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Walsh really has no shame. Or maybe he is so demented that he actually believes all the stuff he has been writing about sky.
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"Champagne at dinner"
http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...xpected-advantage-in-time-trial-31287634.html
Lucky the embedded one was not around to see that, could have changed his whole perspective on "marginal gains"
http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...xpected-advantage-in-time-trial-31287634.html
Lucky the embedded one was not around to see that, could have changed his whole perspective on "marginal gains"
Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:
Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.
His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.
He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.
He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.
For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.
So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.
Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?
Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.
His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.
He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.
He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.
For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.
So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.
Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?
Re:
Would UK sport have anything to do with a World Tour cycling teams TUE?
But yes, agree that someone on a TUE committee should not be on the payroll of pro sports teams.
The Carrot said:
Would UK sport have anything to do with a World Tour cycling teams TUE?
But yes, agree that someone on a TUE committee should not be on the payroll of pro sports teams.
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So what exactly is the UK sport TUE panel's purpose?
Google broken ?
http://www.ukad.org.uk/about-TUE
The requirements vary depending on the level of the athlete. For advice on determining whether, and when, a TUE is required, use the guidance form When to apply for a TUE.
In summary: athletes competing at a National-level should apply to UKAD. International athletes (as defined by their International Federation) should apply to their IF.
An athlete not required to apply for a TUE prior to competition can make a retrospective TUE application to UK Anti-Doping. This must be no later than ten working days following sample collection.
Even if an athlete is eligible to apply for a retrospective TUE, checks should be made with the prescribing physician that the criteria and medical evidence needed by the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee (TUEC) can be met before the athlete uses any prohibited substance or method.
Sp[specifically for cycling
(national level)
A TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:
1. Cyclists in UK Anti-Doping's National Registered Testing Pool
2. Academy Riders
3. Olympic Development Riders
TUEs for National level athletes should be submitted to UK Anti-Doping for review. Only in emergency situations (e.g. allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, onset of bell's palsy) should treatment begin without TUE approval.
(other level)
A Retroactive TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:
1. National Championships (BMX, Cycle Speedway, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
2. National Series Events (BMX, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR A STANDARD TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to make a Retroactive TUE application to UK Anti-Doping following Doping Control (deadline can be extended but notification is required within 10 working days).
RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR AN ASTHMA TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to notify UK Anti-Doping of the use of terbutaline following Doping Control. Once UK Anti-Doping are notified, a Retroactive Asthma TUE application will only be required in the event of an Adverse Analytical Finding being returned.
(edited as I messed up killing the quote tree)
So what exactly is the UK sport TUE panel's purpose?
Google broken ?
http://www.ukad.org.uk/about-TUE
The requirements vary depending on the level of the athlete. For advice on determining whether, and when, a TUE is required, use the guidance form When to apply for a TUE.
In summary: athletes competing at a National-level should apply to UKAD. International athletes (as defined by their International Federation) should apply to their IF.
An athlete not required to apply for a TUE prior to competition can make a retrospective TUE application to UK Anti-Doping. This must be no later than ten working days following sample collection.
Even if an athlete is eligible to apply for a retrospective TUE, checks should be made with the prescribing physician that the criteria and medical evidence needed by the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee (TUEC) can be met before the athlete uses any prohibited substance or method.
Sp[specifically for cycling
(national level)
A TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:
1. Cyclists in UK Anti-Doping's National Registered Testing Pool
2. Academy Riders
3. Olympic Development Riders
TUEs for National level athletes should be submitted to UK Anti-Doping for review. Only in emergency situations (e.g. allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, onset of bell's palsy) should treatment begin without TUE approval.
(other level)
A Retroactive TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:
1. National Championships (BMX, Cycle Speedway, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
2. National Series Events (BMX, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR A STANDARD TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to make a Retroactive TUE application to UK Anti-Doping following Doping Control (deadline can be extended but notification is required within 10 working days).
RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR AN ASTHMA TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to notify UK Anti-Doping of the use of terbutaline following Doping Control. Once UK Anti-Doping are notified, a Retroactive Asthma TUE application will only be required in the event of an Adverse Analytical Finding being returned.
(edited as I messed up killing the quote tree)
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Google ain't bust, just couldn't find anything on the UK Sport panel as opposed to the UKADA TUE panel. Assuming Peters in a member of the latter, I still think he's too close to be reviewing even an academy or Olympic Development rider's TUE. This is the pool where 'the chosen ones' are selected 'ever so quickly' to become fully fledged members of the British Cycling team. That'll be the same team that Peters built his reputation on, the one he is still involved with (according to his bio).
Catwhoorg said:
Google ain't bust, just couldn't find anything on the UK Sport panel as opposed to the UKADA TUE panel. Assuming Peters in a member of the latter, I still think he's too close to be reviewing even an academy or Olympic Development rider's TUE. This is the pool where 'the chosen ones' are selected 'ever so quickly' to become fully fledged members of the British Cycling team. That'll be the same team that Peters built his reputation on, the one he is still involved with (according to his bio).
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And regardless what he's doing, Peters iis a Sky employee doing tasks for the UKAD. It's a conflict of interest even if Peters is only cleaning the toilets there.
Why did they come to Peters to do this job anyway?
No other docs qualified enough to make TUE recommendations?
It's such a corrupt incestuous lot, Sky, BC, UKAD. This is just another, even if only minor, illustration.
this.The Carrot said:
And regardless what he's doing, Peters iis a Sky employee doing tasks for the UKAD. It's a conflict of interest even if Peters is only cleaning the toilets there.
Why did they come to Peters to do this job anyway?
No other docs qualified enough to make TUE recommendations?
It's such a corrupt incestuous lot, Sky, BC, UKAD. This is just another, even if only minor, illustration.
Re: Re:
A relatively minor point it's true, but don't underestimate the power of "the aggregation of marginal feigns".
sniper said:this.The Carrot said:
And regardless what he's doing, Peters iis a Sky employee doing tasks for the UKAD. It's a conflict of interest even if Peters is only cleaning the toilets there.
Why did they come to Peters to do this job anyway?
No other docs qualified enough to make TUE recommendations?
It's such a corrupt incestuous lot, Sky, BC, UKAD. This is just another, even if only minor, illustration.
A relatively minor point it's true, but don't underestimate the power of "the aggregation of marginal feigns".
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