Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Ryo Hazuki]

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You think the clinic is populated by the average cycling fan ?

To be fair, I think it probably just about is (apart from a complete bam pot or 12 ) I seriously doubt that any of the posters in the PRR forum who don't venture into the Clinic genuinely believe any rider is clean. It's not nice, but it is a fact of this sport. I've got my favourites (had in Schleck's case) but I'm not and never have been in denial over any of them that they dope. From grey to black in some cases but, still, in no doubt they dope. Sometimes it *** my concious, but sadly, and probably to my shame, not enough to give up on the sport I'm addicted to...

Oh, and Venga Alberto

I respect this - I have no issue with any contador fan, froome fan, aru fan etc as long as they accept the reality - contador fans are cool - they accept he's doping and cheer him anyway - I have no issue with that - if they said he was clean, then that's a different issue.[/quote]
lol. outside maybe anglophone people here there are no clinic forums anywhere because nobody cares and nobody believes. if you honestly think contador doing 5.8 watt per kg today on mortirollo is doping then it's the saddest doping we've ever seen

 

[SeriousSam]

I honestly believed everyone was just taking the piss when saying stuff like "<6w/kg, must be cleans" up to now

 

[IamIronMan]

I'm ready for the Sky double, Froome to take CDD and Thomas the Suisse...

 

[Benotti69]

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lol. outside maybe anglophone people here there are no clinic forums anywhere because nobody cares and nobody believes. if you honestly think contador doing 5.8 watt per kg today on mortirollo is doping then it's the saddest doping we've ever seen

And yet here you are, Mr Nobody, outside of anglophone, 'caring' and 'believing'......you are just like nike.

 

[Benotti69]

Toby Bass ‏@TheHairyViking 37s37 seconds ago
@DavidWalshST But Sky is all nice and rosy right...? Remarkable similarities between Salazar and Brailsford philosophy. #marginalgains

Tommie2cans ‏@Tommie2cans 7m7 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST But yet ur not questioning Sky and Froome? Dominant is a sport where easy to beat doping controls? #MicroDosing #Bilharzia

Jonty Tacon ‏@StelvioGavia 27m27 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST Team Sky meanwhile... No hint of anything untoward. No hard questions worth asking. No shifting values. Clean.

The twitter machine not being nice to Sky's #1 PR guy.

 

[BYOP88]

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Toby Bass ‏@TheHairyViking 37s37 seconds ago
@DavidWalshST But Sky is all nice and rosy right...? Remarkable similarities between Salazar and Brailsford philosophy. #marginalgains

Tommie2cans ‏@Tommie2cans 7m7 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST But yet ur not questioning Sky and Froome? Dominant is a sport where easy to beat doping controls? #MicroDosing #Bilharzia

Jonty Tacon ‏@StelvioGavia 27m27 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST Team Sky meanwhile... No hint of anything untoward. No hard questions worth asking. No shifting values. Clean.

The twitter machine not being nice to Sky's #1 PR guy.

A lot of people will be getting twitter blocked today.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Toby Bass ‏@TheHairyViking 37s37 seconds ago
@DavidWalshST But Sky is all nice and rosy right...? Remarkable similarities between Salazar and Brailsford philosophy. #marginalgains

Tommie2cans ‏@Tommie2cans 7m7 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST But yet ur not questioning Sky and Froome? Dominant is a sport where easy to beat doping controls? #MicroDosing #Bilharzia

Jonty Tacon ‏@StelvioGavia 27m27 minutes ago
@DavidWalshST Team Sky meanwhile... No hint of anything untoward. No hard questions worth asking. No shifting values. Clean.

The twitter machine not being nice to Sky's #1 PR guy.

Damn trolls

 

[the sceptic]

Walsh really has no shame. Or maybe he is so demented that he actually believes all the stuff he has been writing about sky.

 

[blackcat]

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Walsh really has no shame. Or maybe he is so demented that he actually believes all the stuff he has been writing about sky.

maybe the money is good

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

Walsh really has no shame. Or maybe he is so demented that he actually believes all the stuff he has been writing about sky.

Froome's bio was great tbh, best of his work so far

 

[deeno1975]

"Champagne at dinner"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...xpected-advantage-in-time-trial-31287634.html

Lucky the embedded one was not around to see that, could have changed his whole perspective on "marginal gains"

 

[Electress]

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"Champagne at dinner"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...xpected-advantage-in-time-trial-31287634.html

Lucky the embedded one was not around to see that, could have changed his whole perspective on "marginal gains"

An unexpected 30 secs or so 'advantage' apparently.

I'm not blocked by Froome or Cound. That's a measure of how totally irrelevant I am in the twittersphere…

 

[The Carrot]

Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:


Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.

His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.

He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.

He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.

For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.


So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.

Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?

 

[Tommy79]

Re:

Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:


Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.

His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.

He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.

He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.

For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.


So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.

Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?

Would UK sport have anything to do with a World Tour cycling teams TUE?

But yes, agree that someone on a TUE committee should not be on the payroll of pro sports teams.

 

[sniper]

Re:

Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:


Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.

His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.

He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.

He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.

For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.


So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.

Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?

very well spotted.

Maybe Walsh can explain.

 

[BYOP88]

Maybe someone should ask Walsh.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Re:

Maybe someone should ask Walsh.

If you want him to block you on twitter then go ahead!

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:


Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.

His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.

He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.

He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.

For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.


So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.

Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?

Would UK sport have anything to do with a World Tour cycling teams TUE?

But yes, agree that someone on a TUE committee should not be on the payroll of pro sports teams.

UK sport have nothing to do with the granting of a TUE to anyone at a world Tour Level. (or similar international level competition)

That is restricted to the UCI. (or other world governing body)

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

Found this on the 'Chimp Management' Website:


Prof. Steve Peters
MBBS MRCPsych BA PGCE MEd (medical) Dip. Sports Med. Consultant Psychiatrist / Undergraduate Dean Sheffield Medical School.
Prof. Steve Peters is a Consultant Psychiatrist working in elite & Olympic sport, business and education. His specialist interest is in the working of the human mind and how it can reach optimum performance applied to all walks of life.

His academic work base is with Sheffield Medical School as Undergraduate Dean. He is a member of the Royal College and is on the College Membership Panel for examinations, and a member of the Therapeutic Use Exemption Panel for UK Sport.

He is author of the best selling mind management book ‘The Chimp Paradox’ and creator of the Chimp Model.

He is consultant to the British Cycling Team, Sky ProCycling, Liverpool Football club and UK athletics. He has current and past involvements in many other Olympic and non-Olympic Sports, including UK Taekwondo, UK Canoeing, Snooker, England Rugby and Premier league Football.

For fun, he competes in Track and Field Athletics and has held multiple World Masters Champion Titles and World Records over the 100, 200 and 400 metres.


So the bits I've highlighted in bold states that the 'snake oil salesman' consults team Sky (works for them) while at the same time sitting on the panel that would approve (or not) a UK Team Sky rider's TUE.

Can someone please explain how that is not a conflict of interests please?

Would UK sport have anything to do with a World Tour cycling teams TUE?

But yes, agree that someone on a TUE committee should not be on the payroll of pro sports teams.

UK sport have nothing to do with the granting of a TUE to anyone at a world Tour Level. (or similar international level competition)

That is restricted to the UCI. (or other world governing body)

So what exactly is the UK sport TUE panel's purpose?

 

[Catwhoorg]

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So what exactly is the UK sport TUE panel's purpose?



Google broken ?

http://www.ukad.org.uk/about-TUE



The requirements vary depending on the level of the athlete. For advice on determining whether, and when, a TUE is required, use the guidance form When to apply for a TUE.

In summary: athletes competing at a National-level should apply to UKAD. International athletes (as defined by their International Federation) should apply to their IF.

An athlete not required to apply for a TUE prior to competition can make a retrospective TUE application to UK Anti-Doping. This must be no later than ten working days following sample collection.

Even if an athlete is eligible to apply for a retrospective TUE, checks should be made with the prescribing physician that the criteria and medical evidence needed by the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee (TUEC) can be met before the athlete uses any prohibited substance or method.


Sp[specifically for cycling
(national level)
A TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:

1. Cyclists in UK Anti-Doping's National Registered Testing Pool
2. Academy Riders
3. Olympic Development Riders

TUEs for National level athletes should be submitted to UK Anti-Doping for review. Only in emergency situations (e.g. allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, onset of bell's palsy) should treatment begin without TUE approval.

(other level)
A Retroactive TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:

1. National Championships (BMX, Cycle Speedway, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
2. National Series Events (BMX, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)

RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR A STANDARD TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to make a Retroactive TUE application to UK Anti-Doping following Doping Control (deadline can be extended but notification is required within 10 working days).

RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR AN ASTHMA TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to notify UK Anti-Doping of the use of terbutaline following Doping Control. Once UK Anti-Doping are notified, a Retroactive Asthma TUE application will only be required in the event of an Adverse Analytical Finding being returned.

(edited as I messed up killing the quote tree)

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

So what exactly is the UK sport TUE panel's purpose?



Google broken ?

http://www.ukad.org.uk/about-TUE



The requirements vary depending on the level of the athlete. For advice on determining whether, and when, a TUE is required, use the guidance form When to apply for a TUE.

In summary: athletes competing at a National-level should apply to UKAD. International athletes (as defined by their International Federation) should apply to their IF.

An athlete not required to apply for a TUE prior to competition can make a retrospective TUE application to UK Anti-Doping. This must be no later than ten working days following sample collection.

Even if an athlete is eligible to apply for a retrospective TUE, checks should be made with the prescribing physician that the criteria and medical evidence needed by the Therapeutic Use Exemption Committee (TUEC) can be met before the athlete uses any prohibited substance or method.


Sp[specifically for cycling
(national level)
A TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:

1. Cyclists in UK Anti-Doping's National Registered Testing Pool
2. Academy Riders
3. Olympic Development Riders

TUEs for National level athletes should be submitted to UK Anti-Doping for review. Only in emergency situations (e.g. allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, onset of bell's palsy) should treatment begin without TUE approval.

(other level)
A Retroactive TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:

1. National Championships (BMX, Cycle Speedway, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)
2. National Series Events (BMX, Cyclo-X, MTB, Road, Time Trial, Track)

RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR A STANDARD TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to make a Retroactive TUE application to UK Anti-Doping following Doping Control (deadline can be extended but notification is required within 10 working days).

RETROACTIVE PROCEDURE FOR AN ASTHMA TUE
Athletes have 10 working days to notify UK Anti-Doping of the use of terbutaline following Doping Control. Once UK Anti-Doping are notified, a Retroactive Asthma TUE application will only be required in the event of an Adverse Analytical Finding being returned.

(edited as I messed up killing the quote tree)

Google ain't bust, just couldn't find anything on the UK Sport panel as opposed to the UKADA TUE panel. Assuming Peters in a member of the latter, I still think he's too close to be reviewing even an academy or Olympic Development rider's TUE. This is the pool where 'the chosen ones' are selected 'ever so quickly' to become fully fledged members of the British Cycling team. That'll be the same team that Peters built his reputation on, the one he is still involved with (according to his bio).

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Google ain't bust, just couldn't find anything on the UK Sport panel as opposed to the UKADA TUE panel. Assuming Peters in a member of the latter, I still think he's too close to be reviewing even an academy or Olympic Development rider's TUE. This is the pool where 'the chosen ones' are selected 'ever so quickly' to become fully fledged members of the British Cycling team. That'll be the same team that Peters built his reputation on, the one he is still involved with (according to his bio).

this.

And regardless what he's doing, Peters iis a Sky employee doing tasks for the UKAD. It's a conflict of interest even if Peters is only cleaning the toilets there.

Why did they come to Peters to do this job anyway?
No other docs qualified enough to make TUE recommendations?

It's such a corrupt incestuous lot, Sky, BC, UKAD. This is just another, even if only minor, illustration.

 

[The Carrot]

Re: Re:

Google ain't bust, just couldn't find anything on the UK Sport panel as opposed to the UKADA TUE panel. Assuming Peters in a member of the latter, I still think he's too close to be reviewing even an academy or Olympic Development rider's TUE. This is the pool where 'the chosen ones' are selected 'ever so quickly' to become fully fledged members of the British Cycling team. That'll be the same team that Peters built his reputation on, the one he is still involved with (according to his bio).

this.

And regardless what he's doing, Peters iis a Sky employee doing tasks for the UKAD. It's a conflict of interest even if Peters is only cleaning the toilets there.

Why did they come to Peters to do this job anyway?
No other docs qualified enough to make TUE recommendations?

It's such a corrupt incestuous lot, Sky, BC, UKAD. This is just another, even if only minor, illustration.

A relatively minor point it's true, but don't underestimate the power of "the aggregation of marginal feigns".

 

[Catwhoorg]

Is it possible that he only sits on TUE judgement for sports that he has no active interests ?

Shouldn't you actually try to find a little more out before throwing accusations of corruption ?

 

[sniper]

Re:

Is it possible that he only sits on TUE judgement for sports that he has no active interests ?

Shouldn't you actually try to find a little more out before throwing accusations of corruption ?

imo it's a conflict of interest to be a sky employee and at the same time perform any kind of duties for UKAD. The double affiliation causes the CoI. Not a grave one, but an obvious one, and another one.