Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Benotti69]

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some haven't taking todays news very well it seems

I know, running to the PR people to put out statements does not bode well.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

The irony of The Clinic - Expecting politician's to get to the bottom of this matter - The same politician's who have silently allowed these abuses to happen - You are desperate when you 'hang your hat' on dubious characters.

Imagine expecting a depiscable bunch of politicians, a known group of corrupt power hungry naer do wells, instead of those padi to do it, ie UKAD.

Sport is a cesspit and Sky some of the dirtiest players.

And the same politicians who turn a blind eye are expected to clean up the mess.

I dont expect anyone to clean up anything.

But you are half way there admitting it is a mess.

 

[Benotti69]

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At least Wiggins & Dr Palfreeman have watertight, signed off medical records for his TUEs. Those documents date back seamlessly to 2005 with FDJ. Even the French Cycling Federation granted him the equivalent of todays TUE while riding for FDJ suffering with the same symptoms lol. Everyone believes you when you have medical records, it's only when they get lost on holiday they don't lol!

Wiggins watertight!! Sure that is why he told everyone what was int he jiffy bag.

Sky and SDB old everyone is was Fliumicil. Turns out that was a lie too. UKAD claim it was Triamincilone and injected into Wiggins on th team bus. Remember all the lies about that.

Hoho!!! It all stinks, stinks to the skys.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Sky

The CMS report is still to come.

And it will say much the same but it come attached to a back bench MP who has never been near a bike race making big proclamations about the reputation of Sky.
If we're lucky we'll get the hypocrisy of him banging on about the importance of transparency while his party refuses to release Brexit Impact reports.

read some economics books and then use brain...we don't need the Government (or UKAD) to tell us the bleedin' obvious

 

[Benotti69]

after reading this

The head of Ukad added: “Our investigation was hampered by a lack of accurate medical records being available at British Cycling.

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“This is a serious concern. In this case the matter was further complicated by the crossover between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky. We have referred some information to the GMC, and will cooperate with the GMC as necessary in respect of that information.”

then teamSky say this

Team Sky said it was pleased at Ukad’s announcement. “We have always maintained that there was no wrongdoing and we have cooperated fully with UK Anti-Doping over the last year,” it said. “We have continually strengthened our systems and processes so they best support our strong commitment to anti-doping.”

Now how can anyone argue that Sky are a legit clean team. No records, constant lies, constant fudging, flying secret packages from Manchester to France via Switzerland, unbelievable performances by athletes no one predicted would win GTs..........

It all points to doping. Even if we did not know the history and culture of doping in cycling the way Sky have been found out screams cheating and doping.

 

[gillan1969]

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some haven't taking todays news very well it seems

yup...wiggins.....scotland has the not proven charge

 

[rick james]

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after reading this

The head of Ukad added: “Our investigation was hampered by a lack of accurate medical records being available at British Cycling.

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“This is a serious concern. In this case the matter was further complicated by the crossover between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky. We have referred some information to the GMC, and will cooperate with the GMC as necessary in respect of that information.”

then teamSky say this

Team Sky said it was pleased at Ukad’s announcement. “We have always maintained that there was no wrongdoing and we have cooperated fully with UK Anti-Doping over the last year,” it said. “We have continually strengthened our systems and processes so they best support our strong commitment to anti-doping.”

Now how can anyone argue that Sky are a legit clean team. No records, constant lies, constant fudging, flying secret packages from Manchester to France via Switzerland, unbelievable performances by athletes no one predicted would win GTs..........

It all points to doping. Even if we did not know the history and culture of doping in cycling the way Sky have been found out screams cheating and doping.

its easy to get the answer you're looking for when you've already made your mind up

 

[silvergrenade]

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Well I for one am totally gutted, I was hoping for Froome Dawg to be handed a 5th TDF with a Wiggins charge

+1000!

 

[Benotti69]

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after reading this

The head of Ukad added: “Our investigation was hampered by a lack of accurate medical records being available at British Cycling.

Advertisement

“This is a serious concern. In this case the matter was further complicated by the crossover between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky. We have referred some information to the GMC, and will cooperate with the GMC as necessary in respect of that information.”

then teamSky say this

Team Sky said it was pleased at Ukad’s announcement. “We have always maintained that there was no wrongdoing and we have cooperated fully with UK Anti-Doping over the last year,” it said. “We have continually strengthened our systems and processes so they best support our strong commitment to anti-doping.”

Now how can anyone argue that Sky are a legit clean team. No records, constant lies, constant fudging, flying secret packages from Manchester to France via Switzerland, unbelievable performances by athletes no one predicted would win GTs..........

It all points to doping. Even if we did not know the history and culture of doping in cycling the way Sky have been found out screams cheating and doping.

its easy to get the answer you're looking for when you've already made your mind up

Yeah yeah. No doubt you can point to where that culture changed, the hugely funded independent transparent anti-doping agency that keeps all the athletes clean for fear of being caught as testing happens so regularly that no one dares take an aspirin anymore without a docs note........

The answer is simple when you are not paid to obfuscate.

 

[noddy69]

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after reading this

The head of Ukad added: “Our investigation was hampered by a lack of accurate medical records being available at British Cycling.

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“This is a serious concern. In this case the matter was further complicated by the crossover between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky. We have referred some information to the GMC, and will cooperate with the GMC as necessary in respect of that information.”

then teamSky say this

Team Sky said it was pleased at Ukad’s announcement. “We have always maintained that there was no wrongdoing and we have cooperated fully with UK Anti-Doping over the last year,” it said. “We have continually strengthened our systems and processes so they best support our strong commitment to anti-doping.”

Now how can anyone argue that Sky are a legit clean team. No records, constant lies, constant fudging, flying secret packages from Manchester to France via Switzerland, unbelievable performances by athletes no one predicted would win GTs..........

It all points to doping. Even if we did not know the history and culture of doping in cycling the way Sky have been found out screams cheating and doping.

its easy to get the answer you're looking for when you've already made your mind up

Its also easy to get the answer you're looking for when the question has an easy answer.
repeat after me...doctors keep patients records. If Sky really flew in a drug thats available in the local checmist its no wonder they need a big budget. In fact spending money like that they really need a bigger budget to compete

 

[Benotti69]

Some posters claim no evidence. Testosterone patches were delivered to Team Sky doctor, one Dr Freeman in 2011. Testoserone is banned at all times. Sky clean? Of course they are. Who can forget their hiring of now lifetime banned doping doctor, Dr Geert Lenders, a speciality of his was the use of Kenacort. What did Wiggins use loads of? Kenacort.

Sky clean? Of course they are.

 

[samhocking]

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after reading this

The head of Ukad added: “Our investigation was hampered by a lack of accurate medical records being available at British Cycling.

Advertisement

“This is a serious concern. In this case the matter was further complicated by the crossover between personnel at British Cycling and Team Sky. We have referred some information to the GMC, and will cooperate with the GMC as necessary in respect of that information.”

then teamSky say this

Team Sky said it was pleased at Ukad’s announcement. “We have always maintained that there was no wrongdoing and we have cooperated fully with UK Anti-Doping over the last year,” it said. “We have continually strengthened our systems and processes so they best support our strong commitment to anti-doping.”

Now how can anyone argue that Sky are a legit clean team. No records, constant lies, constant fudging, flying secret packages from Manchester to France via Switzerland, unbelievable performances by athletes no one predicted would win GTs..........

It all points to doping. Even if we did not know the history and culture of doping in cycling the way Sky have been found out screams cheating and doping.

If you believe it, it at least it proves they're not winning using the same Testosterone & Triamcinolone old faithful Grand Tour toolkit others are using too lol!

 

[Craigee]

Anyone who thinks Sky and Wiggins are clean with all the evidence mounted against them has to be pro doping and cheating. They can be nothing else.

Imagine if it went to a trial by Jury and the defence attorney trying to explain why Sky sent had couriered by hand all the way from Manchester via Switzerland, a simple cheap legal product that they could have bought at the closest pharmacy in France.

And your verdict Foreman of the Jury?

Guilty on all counts your Honour.

 

[B_Ugli]

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Anyone who thinks Sky and Wiggins are clean with all the evidence mounted against them has to be pro doping and cheating. They can be nothing else.

Imagine if it went to a trial by Jury and the defence attorney trying to explain why Sky sent had couriered by hand all the way from Manchester via Switzerland, a simple cheap legal product that they could have bought at the closest pharmacy in France.

And your verdict Foreman of the Jury?

Guilty on all counts your Honour.

Yes - this is the point I made yesterday and one which is not lost on Damian Collins Either:

“I think it clearly shows that UKAD does not have the powers it needs and I've been very clear on this. UKAD currently relies on people's willingness to cooperate. It has no legal authority to compel anyone to speak," Collins said.

When asked whether doping should be criminalised in the UK, Collins added: “I think so. I was very struck by the evidence [former rider] Nicole Cooke gave to the select committee when she said that in those countries where doping is illegal, they have much more effective investigations.

If you were to lift the investigation out of the Anti-Doping and into the realm of a Criminal court, a number of main protagonists in this would be facing charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice and possible perjury given their contradictory oral evidence and disappearing medical records. If nothing else Freeman would have had a supoena (as would Wiggins) and have been compelled to give evidence under oath along with proof of the stolen laptop. The jury would also be able to draw an inference from missing evidence and witnesses remaining silent.

Another point which is work making is there would be restrictions placed on the reporting of the matter thus severely limiting the 'spin' Sky and BC have been able to put on it. In short they would be silenced or else risk finding themselves in contempt of court.

So will Mr Collins present a Bill to Parliament?

Interesting Ego driven statement by Wiggins though. If he went after people for Libel he would have to prove that what they were saying was not true, does he really have the stomach for that?

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/general-medical-council-to-look-into-ukad-evidence-but-not-jiffy-bag/

In its statement on Wednesday, UKAD explained that it “became aware of information that it considered to be of possible interest to the General Medical Council” and that it has “shared that information with the GMC, and will continue to liaise with the GMC as appropriate in relation to that information”.

The GMC confirmed that it is looking into the information supplied.
...
The GMC possesses enhanced powers to require disclosure of information, under the 1983 Medical Act, and could in theory dig further than UKAD.

This story might not be over yet ... where's the popcorn?

 

[yaco]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/general-medical-council-to-look-into-ukad-evidence-but-not-jiffy-bag/

In its statement on Wednesday, UKAD explained that it “became aware of information that it considered to be of possible interest to the General Medical Council” and that it has “shared that information with the GMC, and will continue to liaise with the GMC as appropriate in relation to that information”.

The GMC confirmed that it is looking into the information supplied.
...
The GMC possesses enhanced powers to require disclosure of information, under the 1983 Medical Act, and could in theory dig further than UKAD.

This story might not be over yet ... where's the popcorn?

If it's not over, it will be support person/s caught in the net - Which strangely, I posted when this story first broke.

 

[zalacain]

Love this bit from the Daily Fail
"Before he resigned as the British Cycling doctor last month, Richard Freeman asked his employers if he could give an interview to the BBC about the success of the organisation under the guidance of Sir Dave Brailsford.
British Cycling suggested that if he was now well enough to speak to the BBC, he was well enough to speak to their human resources department about his failure to keep proper medical records - and could also speak to UK Anti-Doping about their investigation into Team Sky, British Cycling and a medical package delivered for Sir Bradley Wiggins.
Freeman responded by saying, on second thoughts, he was still too unwell to talk to anyone and quietly quit instead."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-5086989/This-Team-Sky-Jiffy-Bag-story-isn-t-over.html#ixzz4ycSMh8O5
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[pastronef]

Re: Sky

Wiggo:

2003 -DNF at the Giro due to allergies
2003 -Cofidis - French Cycling Federation grants TUE for Fluticasone and Salbutamol
2004 -Credit-Agricole -Authorization to compete at the summer Olympics using Fluticasone and Salbutamol under IOC doping regulations after a series of lung function tests
2005 - 2008 - FDJ - Went back to IOC each year for renewal--lung funsion tests, nasal endoscopy, etc
2008 - High Road - TUE for Salbutamol, Budesonide & Formoterol.
2009 - Garmin - Repeat of 2008 High Road TUE
2010 - Sky - none
2011-2013 - Sky - Triamcinolone

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Sky

Wiggo:

2003 -DNF at the Giro due to allergies
2003 -Cofidis - French Cycling Federation grants TUE for Fluticasone and Salbutamol
2004 -Credit-Agricole -Authorization to compete at the summer Olympics using Fluticasone and Salbutamol under IOC doping regulations after a series of lung function tests
2005 - 2008 - FDJ - Went back to IOC each year for renewal--lung funsion tests, nasal endoscopy, etc
2008 - High Road - TUE for Salbutamol, Budesonide & Formoterol.
2009 - Garmin - Repeat of 2008 High Road TUE
2010 - Sky - none
2011-2013 - Sky - Triamcinolone

Wiggo doped his whole career.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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Anyone who thinks Sky and Wiggins are clean with all the evidence mounted against them has to be pro doping and cheating. They can be nothing else.

Imagine if it went to a trial by Jury and the defence attorney trying to explain why Sky sent had couriered by hand all the way from Manchester via Switzerland, a simple cheap legal product that they could have bought at the closest pharmacy in France.

And your verdict Foreman of the Jury?

Guilty on all counts your Honour.

Yes - this is the point I made yesterday and one which is not lost on Damian Collins Either:

“I think it clearly shows that UKAD does not have the powers it needs and I've been very clear on this. UKAD currently relies on people's willingness to cooperate. It has no legal authority to compel anyone to speak," Collins said.

When asked whether doping should be criminalised in the UK, Collins added: “I think so. I was very struck by the evidence [former rider] Nicole Cooke gave to the select committee when she said that in those countries where doping is illegal, they have much more effective investigations.

If you were to lift the investigation out of the Anti-Doping and into the realm of a Criminal court, a number of main protagonists in this would be facing charges of attempting to pervert the course of justice and possible perjury given their contradictory oral evidence and disappearing medical records. If nothing else Freeman would have had a supoena (as would Wiggins) and have been compelled to give evidence under oath along with proof of the stolen laptop. The jury would also be able to draw an inference from missing evidence and witnesses remaining silent.

Another point which is work making is there would be restrictions placed on the reporting of the matter thus severely limiting the 'spin' Sky and BC have been able to put on it. In short they would be silenced or else risk finding themselves in contempt of court.

So will Mr Collins present a Bill to Parliament?

Interesting Ego driven statement by Wiggins though. If he went after people for Libel he would have to prove that what they were saying was not true, does he really have the stomach for that?

On the bolded bit - not in the current political environment (Brexit and lack of a Tory majority)

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/general-medical-council-to-look-into-ukad-evidence-but-not-jiffy-bag/

In its statement on Wednesday, UKAD explained that it “became aware of information that it considered to be of possible interest to the General Medical Council” and that it has “shared that information with the GMC, and will continue to liaise with the GMC as appropriate in relation to that information”.

The GMC confirmed that it is looking into the information supplied.
...
The GMC possesses enhanced powers to require disclosure of information, under the 1983 Medical Act, and could in theory dig further than UKAD.

This story might not be over yet ... where's the popcorn?

If the GMC do anything it will only be to to consider whether Freeman's cover story of administrative incompetence has breached the GMC's code of professional conduct

The chances of the GMC blowing the lid off Team Sky are zero

And UKAD saying that they've stepped aside to let the GMC do its stuff is just a BS deflection tactic from UKAD

 

[fmk_RoI]

I love the faith in the GMC. Hope springs eternal...

 

[DanielSong39]

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Well I for one am totally gutted, I was hoping for Nibali to be handed a 2nd TDF with a Wiggins charge

Corrected.

 

[Robert5091]

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I love the faith in the GMC. Hope springs eternal...

Well, if Freeman, BC & Sky are made to explain their lack of medical records, it'll be worth the price of the popcorn.

 

[rick james]

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Well I for one am totally gutted, I was hoping for Nibali to be handed a 2nd TDF with a Wiggins charge

Corrected.

Lol Nibali...aye sure