Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[pmcg76]

Dowsett winning is more problematic for the sky fans. This is the guy who at the beginning of the season said, whether it was his actual opinion or a favour to bailsford, that movistar had no real team training like sky and therefore only sky pay attention to these details.

This was lapped up by all those true believers of the bailsford doctrine -.that marginal gains like training as a team are more effective than a Ferrari programme.

Well, dowsett is no longer on the sky marginal gains programme, and he's just smashed the tt. So the fact that movistar don't so things properly like sky, doesn't seem to have made a difference for him

My thoughts exactly when I seen that Dowsett won.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...When Rogers has a decent ToC another explanation will come out....

You didn't get the memo that the UCI pre-announced they will really, really, they mean it this time, test during the ToC event.

Given the UCI has announced testing, all bets are off who will show up in what condition.

Excellent post Hitch.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Wiggins looks 'normal' again...

I don't know about that. He just crushed a long TT and very likely would have won without the flat. A 10-20 finish, and I'd agree Wiggo's back to normal.

We're just finishing week one. Two more weeks to go. The power is there, Uran is doing well, so he might have help in the big mountains.

 

[Skyfan]

Dowsett winning is more problematic for the sky fans. This is the guy who at the beginning of the season said, whether it was his actual opinion or a favour to bailsford, that movistar had no real team training like sky and therefore only sky pay attention to these details.

This was lapped up by all those true believers of the bailsford doctrine -.that marginal gains like training as a team are more effective than a Ferrari programme.

Well, dowsett is no longer on the sky marginal gains programme, and he's just smashed the tt. So the fact that movistar don't so things properly like sky, doesn't seem to have made a difference for him

yeah he's only 57 minutes down on GC, says Movistar gives him lots of rest. Comes in handy when you race one or two stages of a grand tour. Oh, Wiggins had a flat too. Besides, he's doing it for the haemophiliacs - don't go knocking inspired victories. Don't you know you just can't beat someone racing with images of the poor haemophiliacs in their head.

 

[roundabout]

I don't know about that. He just crushed a long TT and very likely would have won without the flat. A 10-20 finish, and I'd agree Wiggo's back to normal.

We're just finishing week one. Two more weeks to go. The power is there, Uran is doing well, so he might have help in the big mountains.

Wiggins was crushing everyone last year. Today he went as fast as Kangert on the straighter flatter bit between intermediate 1 and intermediate 2.

And they started only 13 minutes apart, so the weather was unlikely to be a factor.

 

[Clausfarre]

Reading the Clinic during GCs really does give an extra, much needed dimension to the whole experience. I love these marginal gains of knowledge and innuendo.

 

[Ripper]

I don't know about that. He just crushed a long TT and very likely would have won without the flat. A 10-20 finish, and I'd agree Wiggo's back to normal.

We're just finishing week one. Two more weeks to go. The power is there, Uran is doing well, so he might have help in the big mountains.

Ummm, DW he did not crush the TT. He did well in the TT and might have indeed won it without the flat. Compared to last year's TT wins, this was definitely a step backwards. Last year he was crushing TTs. Almost catching Evans in the Dauphine. Smoking both TdF TTs by minutes.

Either Sky are less juiced or the Peloton has caught up (with the juicer )

But things are definitely not the same as last year.

Of course, if Ziggo wins some MTFs, then the entertainment from Sky fanboys will be even more extreme.

 

[Benotti69]

Reading the Clinic during GCs really does give an extra, much needed dimension to the whole experience. I love these marginal gains of knowledge and innuendo.

I love the head in the sand posts

 

[thehog]

yeah he's only 57 minutes down on GC, says Movistar gives him lots of rest. Comes in handy when you race one or two stages of a grand tour. Oh, Wiggins had a flat too. Besides, he's doing it for the haemophiliacs - don't go knocking inspired victories. Don't you know you just can't beat someone racing with images of the poor haemophiliacs in their head.

Jochiam/Leon/Jimmy/Vickers all rolled into one.

 

[Netserk]

Jochiam/Leon/Jimmy/Vickers all rolled into one.

He is neither of those.

As said before DON'T call someone a sockpuppet. Report it to the mods, if you are suspicious.

 

[thehog]

Ummm, DW he did not crush the TT. He did well in the TT and might have indeed won it without the flat. Compared to last year's TT wins, this was definitely a step backwards. Last year he was crushing TTs. Almost catching Evans in the Dauphine. Smoking both TdF TTs by minutes.

Either Sky are less juiced or the Peloton has caught up (with the juicer )

But things are definitely not the same as last year.

Of course, if Ziggo wins some MTFs, then the entertainment from Sky fanboys will be even more extreme.

When's the rest day? That should see a return to form.

Yates is only a text away. Motorman is at the ready.

 

[the sceptic]

The Wiggins from the olympics would have won this ITT by at least 3 minutes against this competition. Clearly not on that level anymore. Maybe a stomach virus.

 

[Skyfan]

When's the rest day? That should see a return to form.

Yates is only a text away. Motorman is at the ready.

They are going to spend it at a velodrome. Apparently, working on your tt position in one is much more than a marginal gain.

 

[thehog]

The Wiggins from the olympics would have won this ITT by at least 3 minutes against this competition. Clearly not on that level anymore. Maybe a stomach virus.

Didn't wash his hands.

 

[Benotti69]

They are going to spend it at a velodrome. Apparently, working on your tt position in one is much more than a marginal gain.

Of course Wiggins needs to work on his position, he is new to this after all

 

[Skyfan]

Of course Wiggins needs to work on his position, he is new to this after all

it needs to be reworked. He needs help. More body geometry maybe.

 

[Ripper]

When's the rest day? That should see a return to form.

Yates is only a text away. Motorman is at the ready.

Rest day's Monday, so Tuesday should be interesting. MTFs following rest days are always interesting ... on multiple levels (not just the refills).

 

[zlev11]

Didn't wash his hands.

Left his special pillow at home, got sick from the dirty ones at the hotel

 

[Benotti69]

it needs to be reworked. He needs help. More body geometry maybe.

Of course, must be all the slouching he did around Weller and other rocknroll celebs, changed his shape, now he needs to find it again and all will be right on Planet Wiggo.

 

[gooner]

The saddle sores are coming back.

Who do we get now?

 

[Wiggo Warrior]

Dowsett winning is more problematic for the sky fans. This is the guy who at the beginning of the season said, whether it was his actual opinion or a favour to bailsford, that movistar had no real team training like sky and therefore only sky pay attention to these details.

This was lapped up by all those true believers of the bailsford doctrine -.that marginal gains like training as a team are more effective than a Ferrari programme.

Well, dowsett is no longer on the sky marginal gains programme, and he's just smashed the tt. So the fact that movistar don't so things properly like sky, doesn't seem to have made a difference for him

On the contrary, one of the Eurosport commentators (DH I think) has been mentioning Movistar's new 'Sky' like focus on coaches and aero clothing all year up to the Giro, and I am pretty sure (print mag, I will try to dig it out) I recall an Alex Dowsett interview much earlier this year where he mentioned Sky being every third word in a pre-season camp (the other riders kept looking at him apparently when the new style training plans were rolled out) along with the fact that he was surprised they didn't want him to relocate to Spain and they also seemed surprised when he asked for a Time trial bike to train on at home. I am assuming that this is different to the article you are referencing.

I guess they've been doing the training well even if not as a team except at camps, today was a great result for Alex and the team, along with their strong second place in the TTT to Sky.

 

[the sceptic]

Ah, movistar. the spanish version of sky. Hope Valverde can win the vuelta clean this year.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Dowsett winning is more problematic for the sky fans. This is the guy who at the beginning of the season said, whether it was his actual opinion or a favour to bailsford, that movistar had no real team training like sky and therefore only sky pay attention to these details.

This was lapped up by all those true believers of the bailsford doctrine -.that marginal gains like training as a team are more effective than a Ferrari programme.

Well, dowsett is no longer on the sky marginal gains programme, and he's just smashed the tt. So the fact that movistar don't so things properly like sky, doesn't seem to have made a difference for him

Would not be surprised to learn he is still being coached by BC staff / Rod Ellingworth.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You know this TT was a MTF course with 13% sections on that final hill, right? The race report said he was taking it easy on the first half of the course.

So switch that around and he's going to smash the flat TT like he did last year, imo.

Also, here are the estimated times for that final hill (3.3km):

http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/showthread.php?48354-Giro-d-Italia-2013&p=2024257#post2024257

Evans 10:11 -> 17:06 = 6:55
Wiggins 09:37 -> 16:37 = 7:00
Pozzovivo 12:00 -> 19:01 = 7:01
Nibali 09:45 -> 16:48 = 7:03
Scarponi 10:16 -> 17:20 = 7:04
Kessiakoff 12:00 -> 19:05 = 7:05
Majka 12:46 -> 19:54 = 7:08
Pellizotti 13:36 -> 20:45 = 7:09
Aru 11:59 -> 19:11 = 7:12
Gesink 10:36 -> 17:49 = 7:13
...

ie Wiggins TT then outclimbed the vast majority of the peloton. This Giro is far from over.

 

[The Hitch]

Ah, movistar. the spanish version of sky. Hope Valverde can win the vuelta clean this year.

**** the vuelta. If marginal gains made wiggins a tdf winner and froome a potential tdf winner then valverde on marginal gains is going to be like watching pantani on one of those bikes with a motor in them,