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[maxmartin]

**** the vuelta. If marginal gains made wiggins a tdf winner and froome a potential tdf winner then valverde on marginal gains is going to be like watching pantani on one of those bikes with a motor in them,

Amen to that

 

[BroDeal]

I am pretty sure (print mag, I will try to dig it out) I recall an Alex Dowsett interview much earlier this year where he mentioned Sky being every third word in a pre-season camp

The other two words were "what" and "drugs."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Is haemophilia the new Blizharia?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Would not be surprised to learn he is still being coached by BC staff / Rod Ellingworth.

More then anything the difficulty in between BC/SKy no Brits and BC/Brits non Sky needs a bit of a better demarkaction.

2 years ago at the lest 'audit' there really weren't any top notch non-Sky Brits to worry about. (Millar as a maybe). Whilst lottery funding doesn't need to to go EBH as the typical example, neither should Alex be denied access simply because he rides for a different team.

 

[maxmartin]

Is haemophilia the new Blizharia?

Will his blood profile be different from normal people?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Will his blood profile be different from normal people?

Do haemiphiliacs get TUEs for blood transfusions?

 

[DirtyWorks]

ie Wiggins TT then outclimbed the vast majority of the peloton. This Giro is far from over.

Agreed. It seems he's got the power this week. If 2013's doping protocol is anything like 2012, he's got peak power for the rest of the Giro.

His results so far seem confounded by nature and chance. I have no clue what the deal was with him being left solo one day. That can't happen again either.

Two weeks is a long time. He wants to be the leader on the last day, not now.

 

[Ripper]

You know this TT was a MTF course with 13% sections on that final hill, right? The race report said he was taking it easy on the first half of the course.

So switch that around and he's going to smash the flat TT like he did last year, imo.

Also, here are the estimated times for that final hill (3.3km):



ie Wiggins TT then outclimbed the vast majority of the peloton. This Giro is far from over.

Of course it is far from over. He was not taking it easy though; he is a TT expert, on any course one would expect he could meter his efforts well. Given this GT is his major season objective, you know he was keying on today in a big big way, so it was definitely not a crushing ride. It does not matter what it would have been if it was flat ... it wasn't flat.

Given that there is no flat TT in this Giro, I presume you are referring to le Tour?

BTW - not sure if your response was to my post or not, but I replied to the other DW (DirtyWorks), just in case there was confusion.

It's been a long day.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

BTW - not sure if your response was to my post or not, but I replied to the other DW (DirtyWorks), just in case there was confusion.

No, it was more a counter to the posts from a number saying Wiggins didn't smash it, etc.

Cadel had a good observation too, from personal experience: TTing is impacted by a crash the day before.

The general tone from posters seemed to be - Wiggo is underdone. I just tend to think this is not so, and there's a long way to go.

 

[maxmartin]

Do haemiphiliacs get TUEs for blood transfusions?

I have no idea.

 

[nevada]

I have no idea.

It means blood doesn't clot not sure what that has so do with transfusions.

 

[ebandit]

what we get

The saddle sores are coming back.

Who do we get now?

what we get is more bs...........the same tired jokes.............motoman....saddle sores....pillows....warming down

echo.......................echo

Mark L

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

ie Wiggins TT then outclimbed the vast majority of the peloton. This Giro is far from over.

Wiggins was one minute down on Nibali at the first time check, climbs 3 seconds better than Nibali so took 68 seconds on the 'flat' section, give or take a 34 [with a flat section of 18 kilometres] minute effort. Perhaps even more when you take into account there was another section of downhilling in that effort.

Including that mechanical - lets say 20 seconds - and his again descending like a scared little kid he would have put Nibali on two and a half minutes, minimum. On a course that definitely suited Nibali, who must have descended like a Nibali, too bad the RAI cameras had only eye for Wiggo.

What is interesting is Wiggins only took 7 seconds on Dowsett on the 'flat' part.

 

[blackcat]

No, it was more a counter to the posts from a number saying Wiggins didn't smash it, etc.

Cadel had a good observation too, from personal experience: TTing is impacted by a crash the day before.

The general tone from posters seemed to be - Wiggo is underdone. I just tend to think this is not so, and there's a long way to go.

was a slide/slip more than a velocity crash.

ferrari has also gone on recod before, concerning potential power ramification

 

[martinvickers]

More then anything the difficulty in between BC/SKy no Brits and BC/Brits non Sky needs a bit of a better demarkaction.

2 years ago at the lest 'audit' there really weren't any top notch non-Sky Brits to worry about. (Millar as a maybe). Whilst lottery funding doesn't need to to go EBH as the typical example, neither should Alex be denied access simply because he rides for a different team.

He isn't. He's on the podium programme, as is Cavendish and Cummings.

Details here.

Google is your friend.

 

[martinvickers]

Do haemiphiliacs get TUEs for blood transfusions?

Haemophiliacs don't get blood transfusions, unless they're bleeding out. the get regular injections of a blood plasma coagulation factor. He'd also get very quick, very specialist treatment if he crashed for example.

He's a brave lad for insisting on the career he has with that illness.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Wiggins was one minute down on Nibali at the first time check, climbs 3 seconds better than Nibali so took 68 seconds on the 'flat' section, give or take a 34 [with a flat section of 18 kilometres] minute effort. Perhaps even more when you take into account there was another section of downhilling in that effort.

Including that mechanical - lets say 20 seconds - and his again descending like a scared little kid he would have put Nibali on two and a half minutes, minimum. On a course that definitely suited Nibali, who must have descended like a Nibali, too bad the RAI cameras had only eye for Wiggo.

What is interesting is Wiggins only took 7 seconds on Dowsett on the 'flat' part.

Good Post !!

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Ummm, DW he did not crush the TT. He did well in the TT and might have indeed won it without the flat. Compared to last year's TT wins, this was definitely a step backwards. Last year he was crushing TTs. Almost catching Evans in the Dauphine. Smoking both TdF TTs by minutes.

Either Sky are less juiced or the Peloton has caught up (with the juicer )

But things are definitely not the same as last year.

Of course, if Ziggo wins some MTFs, then the entertainment from Sky fanboys will be even more extreme.

Time will tell but coming of his bike can't have helped. This TT was more technical and featured fewer flats then many from last year. It is no surprise that he performed best in the middle section.

Seems people can't make their mind up on this forum. A few weeks back people were going to stop watching cycling because Sky were making a mockery of it. This week the rest of the peloton has caught up with them. I am sure if Wiggins wins a MTF then it will be back to the former.

Also, are you really telling me that if other teams are doping they decided to dial it back previously? One reason given why Sky was so dominant was they are protected by the UCI so given carte blanche. That being the case then how would other teams now be able to up their programmes?

The fact is that if Wiggins had not come of his bike and was now in pink then people would be talking as if the Giro was all over and Sky have a free pass.

 

[SundayRider]

All this talk of the TT and the crash I think the more interesting thing for the rest of this race is the fact that he was off the back before the he crashed during Friday's stage.

 

[Benotti69]

Time will tell but coming of his bike can't have helped. This TT was more technical and featured fewer flats then many from last year. It is no surprise that he performed best in the middle section.

Seems people can't make their mind up on this forum. A few weeks back people were going to stop watching cycling because Sky were making a mockery of it. This week the rest of the peloton has caught up with them. I am sure if Wiggins wins a MTF then it will be back to the former.

Also, are you really telling me that if other teams are doping they decided to dial it back previously? One reason given why Sky was so dominant was they are protected by the UCI so given carte blanche. That being the case then how would other teams now be able to up their programmes?

The fact is that if Wiggins had not come of his bike and was now in pink then people would be talking as if the Giro was all over and Sky have a free pass.

His bike didn't hinder Dowsett.

Is there footage of Wiggins crash as he had a camera the whole way with him?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

His bike didn't hinder Dowsett.

Is there footage of Wiggins crash as he had a camera the whole way with him?

I meant coming off his bike on the prior stage.

I thought Wiggins only had a puncture on the ITT which is why he changed his bike?

Not sure what your point about Dowsett is?

 

[Benotti69]

I meant coming off his bike on the prior stage.

I thought Wiggins only had a puncture on the ITT which is why he changed his bike?

Not sure what your point about Dowsett is?

There was talk Wiggins crashed in the TT hence the need for a bike change.

 

[mikehammer67]

puncture
no crash i thought

 

[Zam_Olyas]

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 8s
I read the comments regarding my travelling with Team Sky with the same feeling once felt for those who questioned my attitude to US Postal.

 

[mikehammer67]

David Walsh @DavidWalshST 13m

That is to say I reserve the right to do my job in the way I consider best, and am not put off by those convinced they know better.