Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Bala Verde]

It seems Flecha won't be signing the zero tolerance policy.

"Mi pasado es mío, no tengo que compartirlo".


http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/11/04/actualidad/1352061899_300612.html

Did we all of a sudden find the source for the "highly recommended" hiring of Geert?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Except that you know, it's Maida Vale until he decides its Kilburn to show how authentic and working class he is.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ce-the-making-of-bradley-wiggins-7962443.html

Or according to his autobiography it was Paddington...

However, there is quite an amusing blog about where in London Wiggins comes from. http://www.westhampsteadlife.com/2012/07/wiggins-puts-kilburn-roughly-on-map.html

 

[postmanhat]

Except that you know, it's Maida Vale until he decides its Kilburn to show how authentic and working class he is.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ce-the-making-of-bradley-wiggins-7962443.html

Or according to his autobiography it was Paddington...

However, there is quite an amusing blog about where in London Wiggins comes from. http://www.westhampsteadlife.com/2012/07/wiggins-puts-kilburn-roughly-on-map.html

Erm, that link only backs up my point that only estate agents would have called it Madia Vale

Do you know London at all?

 

[thehog]

Old council house flats are worth a fortune now in West London. Doesn't alter the fact that working class people lived in them originally. My family would be millionaires if they'd hung on to theirs

Just proves he is full of sh!t. He's pretending to be something he's not.

He grew up in Dibdin House in Maida Vale. I know it well. I lived close by for a long time.

He clearly not from Kilburn.

It's the same as the Lance thing. The story changes to fit the circumstances. One minute he loves him and raced against him and the next minute he states its a "myth".

Something is up with this guy. He has a penchant for lying. What's up with that?

 

[sittingbison]

..Something is up with this guy. He has a penchant for lying. What's up with that?

its his Aussie genes coming through Next thing you know he'll be a drunk like his old man...

 

[martinvickers]

Just proves he is full of sh!t. He's pretending to be something he's not.

He grew up in Dibdin House in Maida Vale. I know it well. I lived close by for a long time.

He clearly not from Kilburn.

It's the same as the Lance thing. The story changes to fit the circumstances. One minute he loves him and raced against him and the next minute he states its a "myth".

Something is up with this guy. He has a penchant for lying. What's up with that?

Dibden house is about 200m from Kilburn High Road, less form Kilburn Park Road.

That's about 30 seconds. On foot.

Map

Seriously, is this the level it's got to? jesus wept...

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/05/bradley-wiggins-memoir-doped-lose

Wiggo in the Guardian:

I get incredibly angry when I'm accused of doping, or even when it's merely implied. That accusation is like saying to someone else: you cheat at your job; you cheated to get to where you are now.
I made a particular effort to explain it to Hervé Bombrun, a journalist from l'Equipe. I'm good friends with him, so fortunately I was able to make my point without him punching me in the face.
He asked me: "What is that anger all about? It's all right you saying all this kind of stuff but …"
"Have you got kids?"
"Yeah, I'm married with kids."
"What if I said to you they're not your kids?"
"What do you mean?"
"What if I said, your wife had an affair at the time, so she got pregnant by someone else?"
"No, it was definitely me. I know they're my children."
"Well, no, I don't think they are."
So he started getting upset, and I explained: "Look, it makes you angry, doesn't it? It makes you want to come out fighting. It's like people telling me I'm cheating at what I'm doing; it gets me angry."
"Ah oui, oh gosh."
As time has gone on, the reasons why I would never use drugs have become far more important. It comes down to my family, and the life I have built for myself and how I would feel about living with the possibility of getting caught.
The question that needs to be asked is not why wouldn't I take drugs, but why would I? I know exactly why I wouldn't dope. To start with, I came to professional road racing from a different background to a lot of guys. The attitude to doping in the UK is different to on the Continent, where a rider such as Richard Virenque can dope, be caught, be banned, come back and be a national hero. There is a different culture in British cycling. Britain is a country where doping is not morally acceptable. I grew up in the British environment, with the Olympic side of the sport as well as the Tour de France.
If I doped I would potentially stand to lose everything. It's a long list. My reputation, my livelihood, my marriage, my family, my house. Everything I have achieved, my Olympic medals, my world titles, the CBE I was given. I would have to take my children to the school gates in a small Lancashire village with everyone looking at me, knowing I had cheated, knowing I had, perhaps, won the Tour de France but then been caught.
All my friends in cycling are here, and my extended family. My wife organises races in Lancashire. I have my own sportif, with people coming and paying £40 each to ride. Cath's family have been in cycling for 50 years, and I would bring shame and embarrassment on them: my father-in-law works at British Cycling, and would never be able to show his face there again. It's not just about me: if I doped it would jeopardise Sky – who sponsor the entire sport in the UK – Dave Brailsford and all he has done, and Tim Kerrison, my trainer. I would not want to end up sitting in a room with all that hanging on me, thinking, "****, I don't want anyone to find out." That is not something I wish to live with.
The problem with the accusations is that they begin that whole process of undermining what I have achieved. That's why I get angry about them.
This is only sport we are talking about. Sport does not mean more to me than all those other things I have. Winning the Tour de France at any cost is not worth the risk. That boils down to why I race a bike. I do it because I love it, and I love doing my best and working hard. I don't do it for a power trip.
At the end of the day, I'm a shy bloke looking forward to taking my son rugby training after the Tour. If I felt I had to take drugs, I would rather stop tomorrow, go and ride club 10-mile time trials, ride to the cafe on Sundays, and work in Tesco stacking shelves.
I haven't followed all the ins and outs of the Lance Armstrong case, but I know the broad lines: he's not contesting the doping charges against him (although he's still protesting his innocence); as it stands, his Tour titles have been taken away from him; there is Tyler Hamilton's book, which is pretty damning; the Usada (United States Anti-Doping Agency) report on the case of the US Postal team makes it clear that he was doping in a sophisticated way. Regardless of what I've said over the years, I have always had my suspicions about him. When the news broke it was like when you're a kid and you find out Father Christmas doesn't exist. It's shocking still, but not a huge surprise. When he made his comeback in 2009, it became more relevant to me because I was actually racing against him.
By 2009 it had become clear that many of the top guys weren't clean at the time Lance was at his best – a lot of the guys who finished second to him were subsequently caught, and quite a few of those who finished third, fourth or fifth – but when he came back to the sport I quite liked him. He seemed much more relaxed, he seemed to be returning for reasons other than winning. He was quite gracious in defeat in some of those races; he was quite respectful, encouraging of what I was trying to do. I thought whatever had happened in the past had happened; it hadn't affected me in those years.
At the time I stuck to my line that Lance's return was a good thing for the sport. Without Lance's achievement in the Tour, Livestrong, his cancer charity, wouldn't have such a high profile and perhaps wouldn't be able to do the work it does. Without Lance, cycling mightn't be as popular – he made it cool in a way. The fact alone that he was coming back to the sport had raised cycling's profile; he announced his comeback on the cover of Vanity Fair, not a cycling magazine, which shows how he had given the sport its current broad appeal.
I didn't know, of course, that eight or nine months down the line I was going to go toe-to-toe with him for a place on the podium in the Tour de France. With hindsight, I'm glad I never criticised him. I had to go and race with the guy and everyone around him. I know what Lance is like if you make an enemy of him. We've seen it in the past. He could have made my life very difficult.
But if it were confirmed that he was doping in 2009–10, then he can get ****ed, completely. Before, he wouldn't have been alone in what he was doing, but the sport has changed since he retired the first time. After 2009, what Lance was or was not doing directly affected everybody, because the sport was making a real effort; Garmin and other teams were being pretty vocal about riding clean. Ultimately I finished fourth in the Tour that year, by 38 seconds to Armstrong who was in third place; getting on the podium of the Tour might have been my only chance. *
On a personal level, the way I look at it now is that, as the yellow jersey, the pressure is on me to answer all the questions about doping – even though I've never doped. I was asked the questions in the Tour and I gave the answers I did.
So I'm ****ed off that Lance has done what he did; it feels as if he's disappeared and I have to answer all the questions. That really, really annoys me. And where is he? Halfway around the world, doing this, that and the other. But we are the ones in this sport today who have got to answer all the questions.
It feels like Lance has dumped on the sport and we've got to clean it up because he's not around any more: he's not managing a team, he's not at the races like other riders from the past – Sean Kelly, Eddy Merckx – he's out there carrying on as he was before. He's still giving statements saying he's standing by this, it's a vendetta, everything that's been said out there is all rubbish. But as things stand today, I've won more Tours de France than he has.
If I'm asked what I feel about it, there is a lot of anger. We are the ones here, in this sport, right now, who have to pick up the pieces. We are the ones trying to race our bikes, the ones sitting there in front of the press trying to convince them of our innocence, continuing to do things in the right way; they've trashed the office and left; we're the ones trying to tidy it all up. I'm doing what I do. I just hope that by conducting myself as I have done this year, by winning the races I have and doing what we're doing clean, we're creating a legacy for the next lot of riders who come along.

 

[thehog]

Dibden house is about 200m from Kilburn High Road, less form Kilburn Park Road.

That's about 30 seconds. On foot.

Map

Seriously, is this the level it's got to? jesus wept...

Postcode snobbery. He's not from Kilburn and never lived there. Period.

Why say Kilburn when he grew up in W9?

He's lying is pretending to be something he is not. He is from Maida Vale which is one of the most affluent areas in London.

 

[sashimono]

...Wiggo in the Guardian:

Wiggo is a bit hard to follow, but... I think he's trying to say he'd trade his EPO for a shot at Hervé Bombrun's wife.

 

[martinvickers]

Postcode snobbery. He's not from Kilburn and never lived there. Period.

Why say Kilburn when he grew up in W9?

He's lying is pretending to be something he is not. He is from Maida Vale which is one of the most affluent areas in London.

I know what Maida Vale is - but he lived in a one parent family in Dibden House flats - was that affluent? Really?

 

[thehog]

I know what Maida Vale is - but he lived in a one parent family in Dibden House flats - was that affluent? Really?

Doesn't matter if it is or it isn't. Maida Vale today is known as an "affluent" area. He's switched play and now saying Kilburn because it goes with his "I'm a working class guy, brought up to a simple life, no nothing about PEDs" image.

He's playing the crowd. And clearly making stuff up.

I note now he's also saying he did race against Lance.

He has changed the story again. Why? Because now its cool to kick Lance whilst Tex is on the ground.

Wiggins is a liar. Not as good as Lance but getting there.

 

[oldcrank]

Many people in many places, and not just London,
tell you where they live by the nearest tube, train
or underground station. Dibdin House is closer to
both Kilburn Park and Kilburn High Road stations
than it is to the Maida Vale tube station, is it not?

 

[thehog]

Many people in many places, and not just London,
tell you where they live by the nearest tube, train
or underground station. Dibdin House is closer to
both Kilburn Park and Kilburn High Road stations
than it is to the Maida Vale tube station, is it not?

No. They use their postcode. Stop making stuff up. Besides he always said he was from Madia Vale until just recently. Now that he's £5m doping machine he needs to pretend he's still Jack the lad.

He's almost St. John's Wood. He's simply not from a working class area. London is juxtaposed between wealthy and not so wealthy but to pretend he's pure working class by changing his home town is misrepresenting the truth.

Full of *** if you ask me.

 

[Tom375]

What a crock of s**t? Maida Vale and Kilburn adjoin. Yes Maida Vale is the more riche area. - You're still not going to get a cheap place in Kilburn as you won't anywhere in London.
He by the sounds of it lived in a one bed flat in a block of flats in Kilburn/Maida Vale close to Kilburn station so what? What this proves about anything in relation to him possibly doping / being a liar i don't have a F**ng clue.
Equally i don't see why the fact that he's from Kilburn would necessarily hinder him from being good at cycling - (we're in some sort of reality TV / x-factor age where the media has to present a hard luck story come good). Any 'rising star / celeb' seems to be given this so called gloss or dross certainly in this country and it doesn't very often do them any favours.
Anyway don't see any relevance in the Kilburn/Maida Vale argument unless it turns out he was living in equivalent of the Mary Poppin's house of Maida Vale, public school etc..

 

[oldcrank]

Except that you know, it's Maida Vale until he decides its Kilburn to show how authentic and working class he is.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ce-the-making-of-bradley-wiggins-7962443.html

Or according to his autobiography it was Paddington...

Actually, according to his autobiography it was, and I quote:
"...Paddington, although some people prefer to call it Kilburn."

 

[ultimobici]

No. They use their postcode. Stop making stuff up. Besides he always said he was from Madia Vale until just recently. Now that he's £5m doping machine he needs to pretend he's still Jack the lad.

He's almost St. John's Wood. He's simply not from a working class area. London is juxtaposed between wealthy and not so wealthy but to pretend he's pure working class by changing his home town is misrepresenting the truth.

Full of *** if you ask me.

I lived in Brondesbury Park up until a couple of years ago. The address referred to is most definitely Kilburn, despite the address having Maida Vale in it. I used to get off the bus 100 yards up the road on my way home in the evenings, Maida Vale it most definitely ain't!

London has many addresses that are not what they seem. Chelsea Harbour is super posh & within a stones throw of the Kings Road. It's also that close to the World's End Estate, which is why they have very high walls and gates!

MAte of mine was born & brought up in NW6, now referred to as West Hampstead. Except when he was a kid it was East Kilburn!

 

[JimmyFingers]

Doesn't matter if it is or it isn't. Maida Vale today is known as an "affluent" area. He's switched play and now saying Kilburn because it goes with his "I'm a working class guy, brought up to a simple life, no nothing about PEDs" image.

He's playing the crowd. And clearly making stuff up.

I note now he's also saying he did race against Lance.

He has changed the story again. Why? Because now its cool to kick Lance whilst Tex is on the ground.

Wiggins is a liar. Not as good as Lance but getting there.

God you talk rubbish, and no relevance at all to this debate or this thread. Nice to get some more slurs in against Wiggins though isn't it?

 

[bobbins]

Surely any fool knows that professional cyclist back in the 70s was one of the highest paying jobs around and when Bradley's parents separated his mother was bound to have received a massive windfall enabling them to live the high life in London. His luck only got better when he turned into a decent amateur, signing six figure salaries and endorsement deals from an early age.

Even before winning his first Olympic medal he could have happily walked away and lived off the interest his savings were accruing.

Despite this, he decided to continue as a bike rider, riding for some of the worlds biggest teams where he was able to name his price.

Maybe being so rich was boring so he then decided to win the Tour.

The life of the super rich cyclist.

Not sure which the sarcasm emoticon is but imagine there's a few just here.

 

[armchairclimber]

No. They use their postcode. Stop making stuff up. Besides he always said he was from Madia Vale until just recently. Now that he's £5m doping machine he needs to pretend he's still Jack the lad.

He's almost St. John's Wood. He's simply not from a working class area. London is juxtaposed between wealthy and not so wealthy but to pretend he's pure working class by changing his home town is misrepresenting the truth.

Full of *** if you ask me.

Hog wash. More baseless slurs and self-aggrandisement.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Dibdin House is massive, if anyone wants to see it just do a quick Google image search. The idea that a single mother from a working class background could afford such a massive house (so big that it is even marked on maps) is clearly complete nonsense. This proves once and for all that Wiggins is a drug cheat!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

God you talk rubbish, and no relevance at all to this debate or this thread. Nice to get some more slurs in against Wiggins though isn't it?

Hoggie has had to give up on the maths, so he's now into geography. In a couple of weeks he'll be into chemistry, proving that Wiggo doped by comparing the water purity in Kilburn to that in Austin.

 

[RownhamHill]

Blimey, where's that then?

Highgate Hill? More a ride than riding mind.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I've done a bit more reading up and found out that Wiggins actually had a bike when he younger. From a working class background and he owned his own bike? You couldn't make these things up! This proves once and for all that Wiggins is a drug cheat!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Many people in many places, and not just London,
tell you where they live by the nearest tube, train
or underground station. Dibdin House is closer to
both Kilburn Park and Kilburn High Road stations
than it is to the Maida Vale tube station, is it not?

No, many people say they live in different parts of London depending on what they are trying to say to people. When people want to big themselves up they say they live in the posh area, when people want to re-enforce their working classness, to show how authentic they are, they say they come from the working class place. Stop pretending that class has nothing to do with this. Wiggins is emphasizing the single parent, working class thing, rather than the dress like a ****, speak a foreign language thing which doesn't go down so well with the British mainstream.

Everyone loves a working class hero, no one likes a middle class ****.

 

[JimmyFingers]

No, many people say they live in different parts of London depending on what they are trying to say to people. When people want to big themselves up they say they live in the posh area, when people want to re-enforce their working classness, to show how authentic they are, they say they come from the working class place. Stop pretending that class has nothing to do with this. Wiggins is emphasizing the single parent, working class thing, rather than the dress like a ****, speak a foreign language thing which doesn't go down so well with the British mainstream.

Everyone loves a working class hero, no one likes a middle class ****.

More character assassination, more slurs. He was raised by his mother from a young age, his father was an alcoholic failed cycling pro who died in mysterious circumstances and Wiggins has been a full-time sportsman throughout his life. You tell me what class he is?

I like the moronic 'speaks a foreign language', how dare he speak French, what a posho, and as we know poshos all dope. Oh and people that wear fancy clothes, drug cheats all of them.

This thread is getting seriously derailed by the attempts to besmirch Wiggins' character rather than addressing the issues that should be here in the clinic. Is this place moderated at all?