Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[cineteq]

The latest news on Leinders? Yep only the dumbest fob could figure out he was conducting a doping programme at Rabobank. We knew that yesterday and last week. Does that mean he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?

What else he's known to be good for?

 

[Froome19]

What else he's known to be good for?

Being a doctor?
Ferrari and co. were all mostly top of the game when it came to stuff such as doctoring and science etc.

 

[roundabout]

The latest news on Leinders? Yep only the dumbest fob could figure out he was conducting a doping programme at Rabobank. We knew that yesterday and last week. Does that mean he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?

This is ridiculous.

 

[Joachim]

The Daily Mail is widely viewed as a xenophobic hate rag with particular bile for poor brown people on benefits...

So I think they give their game away when you get a story like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cks-fat-lady-fell-sidewalk-New-York-City.html

By all means, accuse the mainstream UK media of not putting Sky under much scrutiny (I can't find much), but let's not start fêting the Daily Mail as some sort of sword of truth, eh.

 

[Benotti69]

The latest news on Leinders? Yep only the dumbest fob could figure out he was conducting a doping programme at Rabobank. We knew that yesterday and last week. Does that mean he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?

Of course not. Although that being his speciality in cycling he was hired to rub cream onto saddle sores and give out vitamin pills.

Doping ended in 2005. Did you not hear Lance, George, Levi, DaveZ, VdV and all the other guys?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

With the Mail I just see a posh tabloid whose only difference to the Sun, Star and Sport is the lack of tits.

Actually, given their stance on many things I would say they have plenty of the latter only they tend to be their writers rather then 23 year old Mandy from Kent.

That said it does not mean they don't have a point .

 

[The Hitch]

judging by the lack of a total clinic explosion . . . i would say no1

If hog just made that up and is trolling again. a day or.2 breathing time for the clinic would be appreciated by most.

 

[Froome19]

This is ridiculous.

What so you take it as definite proof that he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?
Fine, I prefer to withhold my judgement a little longer at least until I hear some people in the know say so.

 

[Benotti69]

What so you take it as definite proof that he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?
Fine, I prefer to withhold my judgement a little longer at least until I hear some people in the know say so.

Who are these people? UCI? TeamGB? UKAD? All these have vested interests in Sky being clean or as Brailsford likes, 'seen to be clean'.

 

[ebandit]

sky high

What so you take it as definite proof that he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?
Fine, I prefer to withhold my judgement a little longer at least until I hear some people in the know say so.

todays news that leinders actually administered epo to riders is proof of a programme at rabobank.............remember the recent announcement that team line was..doctors will look after riders if they CHOOSE to use peds

but does not change things at sky unless we hear anything from closer to the team....what exactly was leinders role as part time doctor
........is there any reports of actual ped use

not just the usual.................it looks like

 

[richardp]

mods, perhaps merge with sky thread?
thanks.

Please, no. That thread is getting too large and unwieldy, and if the mainstream press and the general public are going to become better informed the whole Sky/UK Postal discussion needs to be better structured if people are going to be able to read it.

All evidence needs to be discussed clearly without the burden of the whole "Sky must be doping because they ride like US Postal" argument - I think we've got beyond that point now. Pro-cycling teams must now be ultra-transparent, and back up their anti-doping statements and policies with clear evidence.

Speaking as someone who uses this forum to keep a better and more balanced perspective on what I read and what I see on the TV (rather than as a forum contributor), I'm very pleased there is a separate Leinders thread. But, there should be more threads for individuals like this - really, all team doctors and DS's with any history or suspicion of involvement in teams that have doping should have their own threads (and many have), but some important ones still do not.

With regards to Sky though, Fabio Bartolucci is someone who needs to be discussed in detail with his own thread. There may be others. Leinders is one very black mark against Sky, and Bartolucci may well be another. By highlighting the key personnel Sky have and still do employ like this, we may end up getting to the truth quicker than happened with USPS.

Yes, I'm English, and I'd like to be able to celebrate last years achievements and be a little bit patriotic, but I really don't want the wool pulled over my eyes by Sky etc al - I think am rather too cynical about pro-cycling now. So, lets make it easier to get the truth out there more quickly please.

Thanks everyone - the Forum is a very valuable resource.

 

[MartinGT]

When this "broke" yesterday the goons on Twitter are so frsutrating.

"He was never at the Tour" Oh so that makes Sky instantly clean does it?

 

[Joachim]

@Ebandit. The Leinders thing is the only gossamer-thin thread of vaguely circumstantial evidence they have to cling on to, eBandit, which is why they are always squealing on about it in that shrill way.

Personally, if Sky riders are doping I hope they get caugt. At present the employment of Leinders tells us very little, and goes nowhere in that respect. It may be relevant if real evidence emerges, but at present any team looking to employ a doctor with significant pro bike team experience on his cv stands a chance of inheriting skeletons from someone else's closet.

 

[Benotti69]

When this "broke" yesterday the goons on Twitter are so frsutrating.

"He was never at the Tour" Oh so that makes Sky instantly clean does it?

According to Brailsford it does.

 

[MartinGT]

So who from Sky tested positive at the 2012 Vuelta?

WTF Did I miss something?

 

[workingclasshero]

When this "broke" yesterday the goons on Twitter are so frsutrating.

"He was never at the Tour" Oh so that makes Sky instantly clean does it?

social media makes me hate people

 

[Joachim]

WTF Did I miss something?

No. Absolutely nothing

 

[roundabout]

What so you take it as definite proof that he was conducting a doping programme at Sky?
Fine, I prefer to withhold my judgement a little longer at least until I hear some people in the know say so.

That's not what I wrote.

But I am not going to go over the zero tolerance policy flip flop Sky edition for what feels like a billionth time.

Point is he should have not been anywhere near Sky in the first place.

 

[JRanton]

@Ebandit. The Leinders thing is the only gossamer-thin thread of vaguely circumstantial evidence they have to cling on to, eBandit, which is why they are always squealing on about it in that shrill way.

Personally, if Sky riders are doping I hope they get caugt. At present the employment of Leinders tells us very little, and goes nowhere in that respect. It may be relevant if real evidence emerges, but at present any team looking to employ a doctor with significant pro bike team experience on his cv stands a chance of inheriting skeletons from someone else's closet.

Sky could have Ferrari and Fuentes on the roster and you'd still believe in them. Mug.

 

[ebandit]

benny69

According to Brailsford it does.

according to benny69 that means team sky doped...............well? they hope

what is needed is for the facts to come out............not clever quips
and rolling eyes

 

[ebandit]

???????

Sky could have Ferrari and Fuentes on the roster and you'd still believe in them. Mug.

but team sky don't so why come out with this ? facts count for more than imagination......................

does that make me a mug?

 

[Froome19]

That's not what I wrote.

But I am not going to go over the zero tolerance policy flip flop Sky edition for what feels like a billionth time.

Point is he should have not been anywhere near Sky in the first place.

Sorry that seemed to be what you implied, as that was the opposite to what my post stated.

I do not see many posters talking about the zero-tolerance policy in this thread. Sniper went nowhere near there. Instead he says it is obviously proof of Sky doping. Even so the zero tolerance policy in my eyes has always been merely a PR stunt. It never was meant as a serious way of fighting doping. Sky thought they could use it to appeal to the more casual fans who make up a large percent of the people they want to attract and so they thought they could get away with just wrapping wool over their eyes and seeing as they were pretty clueless they would not know any different. In the end it was Sky who came cross as looking clueless. But having said that and even if the zero tolerance may have been to cover up a massive doping programme then how does it breaching it really affect claims about whether Sky are doping or not? True it affects their reputability but..

 

[Siriuscat]

The current raft of confessions from Rabobank are worrying when it comes to Sky Leinders should never have been there, at best this is a major error of judgement on Brailsford's part at worst....well we all know what that is!

 

[Froome19]

If hog just made that up and is trolling again. a day or.2 breathing time for the clinic would be appreciated by most.

Actually I think Hog had a happy dream which he wanted to share with us.

 

[Joachim]

Sky could have Ferrari and Fuentes on the roster and you'd still believe in them. Mug.

Why the personal attack?

If you are so sure of yourself why do you feel the need to resort to insults, let alone the ridiculous hypothetical about what you think I might hypothetically believe?

If you've nothing to offer other than school playground insults, stay away.