Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

They have shown the awesome and fantastic Tour Down Under for a few years.

I think ITV held the rights for the classics for several years, maybe they still do. But they've never shown them until this year, I think they're showing a 9pm highlights show of Paris-Roubaix, must be hoping for a 'home team' win.

Sky showed TDU for a few years but then stopped. They also showed that Ozzie desert Tour forget what its called.

I think their showing PR because that gets sold as the TDF of classics (partly because its spectacular, partly because its in france which people outside of europe do seem to think is the home of cycling)

Liege they are showing hoping for a home win.

Katrin Krabbe. That's about it.

Might be onto something here. beatiful people dont dope.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Crocodile Trophy - MTB race yeah?

 

[martinvickers]

Might be onto something here. beatiful people dont dope.

I think you may have swapped cause and effect there. Girls put through a proper GDR regime didn't tend to become beautiful, except in a mountain gorilla kind of way...

 

[BroDeal]

I think you may have swapped cause and effect there. Girls put through a proper GDR regime didn't tend to become beautiful, except in a mountain gorilla kind of way...

And there is one more piece of evidence against Wiggins.

 

[The Hitch]

I think you may have swapped cause and effect there. Girls put through a proper GDR regime didn't tend to become beautiful, except in a mountain gorilla kind of way...

aye, but becoming more male was part of the doping, what with giving them testostrone.

I doubt specific muscle steroids, and blood doping will have that effect.

 

[martinvickers]

aye, but becoming more male was part of the doping, what with giving them testostrone.

In one case, becoming male. full stop.

I doubt specific muscle steroids, and blood doping will have that effect.

Blood doping can have other side effects of a cosmetic nature, though.

 

[hiero2]

The only person going full *** is the person not getting the joke.

Google: 7 of 9, Jeri Ryan, borg, star trek.

A joke never works when you have to explain it...


non-sci fi infidels.

Wah - I was a sf geek once upon a time, but not from the Jeri Ryan generation so I missed it too. But thanks for explainin'!

 

[Papa Kel]

All this talk of doping is fine, but we really do need to actually know more about what it is the current Sky team is actually taking to give them the performances they are achieving. Blood bags? Great, most likely, but that's nothing that large numbers of the peloton aren't doing as well. AICAR? GW1516? Maybe. Some new form of EPO? Who knows. I think more discussion really does need to go into this than what does. Or is it just that in reality, we have absolutely NO idea.

 

[blackcat]

^^^
hopefully you stick around PK.

sober and cogent voice.

 

[thehog]

All this talk of doping is fine, but we really do need to actually know more about what it is the current Sky team is actually taking to give them the performances they are achieving. Blood bags? Great, most likely, but that's nothing that large numbers of the peloton aren't doing as well. AICAR? GW1516? Maybe. Some new form of EPO? Who knows. I think more discussion really does need to go into this than what does. Or is it just that in reality, we have absolutely NO idea.

As per USPS. Being able to dope with a free pass is key. That's a big advantage.

But yes AICAR.

Froome will lose some 6kg more from now to July.

 

[Galic Ho]

This is what I recall from that time. Sudden and strange performances really began in the EPO era. The critical thing here is history does not get compressed into a "knew all along" narrative.

True.

However information at a later date in theory will be more readily available. The simple advances in technology alone will account for more general knowledge and ease of distribution to the public.

What is recognised and known about doping now, is greater than what was around 15 years ago. I'd say suspicions were raised in some corners and the uptake on this info was slow. Definitely slower than today. The increased bandwidth in knowledge today and access to information digitally will reduce the time for suspicions to arise. People have caught on that something is wrong at Sky a lot quicker than they did with USPS.

 

[Galic Ho]

You've been watching too many films.

You are kidding yourself if you think that people didn't talk to each other at the time. You, and everyone else on the outside may have had to wait years to find out some of the details, but you can be sure that the reason Walsh went after Armstrong with such certainty was not based on a hunch.

You appear to have very little understanding of the reality of life within the bubble that was pro racing in that era.

I'm not the one who claimed to be Floyd Landis. You can sit on your rock and deflect back and forth with pointless garbage about people in the Clinic supposedly not being aware that people talk behind closed doors (basic assumption...so try harder) but all you're doing is attempting to hide your own ignorance.

If you knew what you were talking about you'd have known the 3 men I referred to were Floyd Landis (had the photos) and he was mentioned during an Instant Messenger Chat between Jonathan Vaughters and Frankie Andreu.

 

[Galic Ho]

Armstrong had the foundation as deflection.

Sky go one better. They own the media.

Your not going to get a Walsh type or Kimmage writing those articles on Sky.

Not going to happen.

It's really only social media laughing their pants off at the performances. Main steam media are still buying it and writing a out it if super super clean.

The only way Sky will get caught is customs. But I still can't see it happening. They've moved on from Motoman.

Logistics has changed. Transport of dope is your biggest risk. 2009 dropping into Spain is much easer.

We'll see....

Porte spoke to Ashenden and look at the path he chose. I hope he doesn't regret it one day.

Social media is sadly well ahead of the press. I don't expect a Kimmage or Walsh type to emerge suddenly. Too many leeches and hangers on in all the cycling press. Those who do have leg room to move about are often restrained by their employer.

When and why did Porte speak to Ashenden? I've never heard that one before.

As for the minor pieces hitting the social media about words Froome is saying. His ego is out of control. Cut from the same cloth as the Uniballer. He's definitely not gonna hold back this year. Will make for some great viewing of doped up riders.

Also people mentioned Cancellara way back. If he was going to transform into a GC rider it would have happened around 2009-2010. He is 32 soon. Not going to happen. But as Libertine said, if he had hopped onto a serious weigh loss program he'd have been devastating. Substitute Tony Martin in perhaps and see how that runs. However him being German I think is enough of an indicator that he won't ever go that far. Could be wrong though.

 

[Galic Ho]

how can a top dog be the sycophant? read how he treated charlie sheen, fobbed off the oscar winner, who chose a hollywood route after stone's films. better to be friends with Stiller and McConaughey. unctuous before sycophant's actions. so other famous/celebrities brought the glow brighter on him. but he was still the top dog.

lets go to merriams http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sycophant

Exchange with psychopath. Wrong word.

If you want I can do a similar reply for every time you use the wrong term. We'd be here for a long long long time.

 

[simo1733]

aye, but becoming more male was part of the doping, what with giving them testostrone.

I doubt specific muscle steroids, and blood doping will have that effect.

What happened to Katrin Krabbe? She was a babe before she got busted.

 

[DirtyWorks]

All this talk of doping is fine, but we really do need to actually know more about what it is the current Sky team is actually taking to give them the performances they are achieving. Blood bags? Great, most likely, but that's nothing that large numbers of the peloton aren't doing as well. AICAR? GW1516? Maybe. Some new form of EPO? Who knows. I think more discussion really does need to go into this than what does. Or is it just that in reality, we have absolutely NO idea.

Start trawling the body building forums. Buried in among the muscle geeks are endurance dopers. There's quite a few forums and they are busy so it will take time. My problem is I haven't learned their language, so even if I understood the biology, which I don't, it's hard to figure out what they are saying sometimes.

You need an education institution pass so you too can read research and get out ahead of the dopers. It all takes time though...

My basic understanding is the peptide doping is a revolution.

 

[simo1733]

Sky/News Corp don't own the media, they own some of the media.The part of the media that they don't own would like nothing more than to **** on their firworks.
BBC,Telegraph,Independent,Guardian,Daily Mail,Daily Mirror etc.

 

[bobbins]

Why not out yourself like Vaughters, Daryl Webster, Mike Anderson and Betsy Andreu who all post here as themselves?

To be fair the UK cycling world is a very small world. Cross the wrong people and life an be made very hard. Work in the cycle industry and cross the wrong people and you'll soon be looking for new work.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sky/News Corp don't own the media, they own some of the media.The part of the media that they don't own would like nothing more than to **** on their firworks.
BBC,Telegraph,Independent,Guardian,Daily Mail,Daily Mirror etc.

Luckily UK have draconian libel laws that prevent them from saying anything.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To be fair the UK cycling world is a very small world. Cross the wrong people and life an be made very hard. Work in the cycle industry and cross the wrong people and you'll soon be looking for new work.

And here's the bottom line for why someone with only cycling on their resume won't be blabbing any time soon.

 

[martinvickers]

What happened to Katrin Krabbe? She was a babe before she got busted.

More or less bitter obscurity - Let's say Katrin didn't come across as one of the 'innocent girls ruined' by GDR.

From around 2000

And again

and again

And a Where are they now from 2008 in German - Mrs Zimmerman, tax evasion, etc

 

[MartinGT]

Sky/News Corp don't own the media, they own some of the media.The part of the media that they don't own would like nothing more than to **** on their firworks.
BBC,Telegraph,Independent,Guardian,Daily Mail,Daily Mirror etc.

Guardian are far from p!$$ing on bonfires atm, they are well in with the Skybots love fest at the moment.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Easily. Cancellara...

Doping or otherwise, no-one becomes a Tour winner "easily".

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

What happened to Katrin Krabbe? She was a babe before she got busted.

Does anyone else remember the 1990 Euro Athletics championships as clearly as I do? A sackful of golds for GB and of course, Katrin Krabbe in the GDR-issue "wet-look" lycra. Happy days...

 

[Hawkwood]

Luckily UK have draconian libel laws that prevent them from saying anything.

The UK may have draconian libel laws, but if you can demonstrate in court that what you wrote was true, you're innocent. In the high profile cases, where newspapers and others were hammered, the defendants couldn't prove that what they wrote was true.