Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[BYOP88]

With Sky he also won PN, and placed 2nd at Pais Vasco, the Dauphine, and Criterium international. Aside from his Giro top 10, his other best results at Saxo were mostly some high placing's in TT's, and a couple top 10's at some smaller stage races. Not to mention the pivotal role he's played in Froomes train as Froomes last man to reduce whatever was left of the peloton down to a select group of one.

Changed it for you.

 

[dolophonic]

With Sky he also won PN, and placed 2nd at Pais Vasco, the Dauphine, and Criterium international. Aside from his Giro top 10, his other best results at Saxo were mostly some high placing's in TT's, and a couple top 10's at some smaller stage races. Not to mention the pivotal role he's played in Froomes train as Froomes last man to reduce whatever was left of the peloton down to a select group of only the best.

Yes this sounds about right.

 

[EnacheV]

With Sky he also won PN, and placed 2nd at Pais Vasco, the Dauphine, and Criterium international. Aside from his Giro top 10, his other best results at Saxo were mostly some high placing's in TT's, and a couple top 10's at some smaller stage races. Not to mention the pivotal role he's played in Froomes train as Froomes last man to reduce whatever was left of the peloton down to a select group of only the best.

Thanks for emphasing once again how much better Sky is than Saxo. Riis should re-learn the ropes without juice.

 

[Avoriaz]

A rider goes from Conti team to Sky after an early season win and posters are wondering how many TdFs he will win at sky. Then he does an EBH and no one is suspicious! Sky have so many questions to answer about riders and not the crap Brailsford feeds the cycling 'copy and paste monkeys' posing as journalists.

Actually you have that the wrong way round. The rider needs to answer questions - ones probably asked by Brailsford. How come now we pay you you are rubbish?

 

[Benotti69]

Actually you have that the wrong way round. The rider needs to answer questions - ones probably asked by Brailsford. How come now we pay you you are rubbish?

Sky are not going to let JLT talk.

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for emphasing once again how much better Sky is than Saxo. Riis should re-learn the ropes without juice.

Sure, Sky beat the doping teams without the juice. It all makes sense, Sky are on their bikes 6 hours a day busting their a$$es while the dopers sit around drinking espressos

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sure, Sky beat the doping teams without the juice. It all makes sense, Sky are on their bikes 6 hours a day busting their a$$es while the dopers sit around drinking espressos

Lmao that is hilarious

 

[EnacheV]

Sure, Sky beat the doping teams without the juice. It all makes sense, Sky are on their bikes 6 hours a day busting their a$$es while the dopers sit around drinking espressos

For example while Froome and Sagan were doing TTT Contador was doing rides "for them kids"

That's the style difference. And that's why some win and some don't.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For example while Froome and Sagan were doing TTT Contador was doing rides "for them kids"

That's the style difference. And that's why some win and some don't.

Sorry, that's just funny as hell. "Rides for them kids" sure

Besides, the fact that he didn't train the entire day for one day clearly shows he is a lazy fat-***

PS Contador is still more successful that Froome so I wouldn't be so quick to say "and that's why some win and some don't"

 

[leon7766]

So yet another month goes by and still nothing but fantasies .

 

[leon7766]

Lmao that is hilarious

What is hilarious is you stating that Contador is more successful than Froome .You support a drug cheat

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

He had his outbreak with BC, which basically means he had it with Sky.

So that's the second option?

But his GT talent just came with GAR. You can´t discuss that reality away.

What you mean with 2nd option?
Basically it comes down to this: Sky is not overperforming compared to other teams. All but one rider had great results before joining them. The hypocrisy here is beyond help. Sky gets the heat while the real shady teams like RSH and Movistar don´t get that attention.

With Sky he also won PN, and placed 2nd at Pais Vasco, the Dauphine, and Criterium international. Aside from his Giro top 10, his other best results at Saxo were mostly some high placing's in TT's, and a couple top 10's at some smaller stage races. Not to mention the pivotal role he's played in Froomes train as Froomes last man to reduce whatever was left of the peloton down to a select group of only the best.

So you blame Porte for a normal steady improvement in his 20s?
Porte showed, at a young age (as it always was before 1990), in that Giro that he can climb with the best. Why should he decline? He isn´t Cobo of Saunier. Those shady come-and-go-guys are way more suspicious...

No he probably wouldn't.

What you are trying to say (im assuming) is that if you take away 12 minutes from portes time he would in theory still end up in the top 10.

That ignores the fact that the Laquilla break also gave him a team of domestiques (including CAS) at his disposal.

And that is wrong?
Almost all T-10 finishers have the help of their team....

It also meant that plenty of people that would have easily beaten Porte for top 10, gave up on it and started working as domestiques or looking for stage wins.

Half the peloton could top 10 a giro if you remove most of the contenders from the equation and give them CAS as a superdomestique.

That is absurd.
If we add that 12 mins to his overall finish in his first GT, he wold have been down 19 mins. In most GT´s that is around 15th*. Now please explain how half of the peloton would finish inside 19 mins on a GT? Never happened, never...

(*On this particular Giro this 19 mins would still be good for T-10.)

Your beloved Chris Horner could have probably top 10'd any gt from the late 90's if you gave him those 2 things.

Plain wrong. He couldn´t. Simply b/c he wasn´t good enough to be considered for a GT-Spot in his 20s. What this überdoper does nowadays is plain sick...

 

[The Hitch]

The hypocrisy here is beyond help. Sky gets the heat while the real shady teams like RSH and Movistar don´t get that attention.

Mods, we all know by now that this is a classic bait. Everyone with more than 2 braincells knows the reason why Movistar and RS threads aren't as long as the sky ones. People who keep repeating it are only looking to troll.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Actually you have that the wrong way round. The rider needs to answer questions - ones probably asked by Brailsford. How come now we pay you you are rubbish?

Did he forget to take a look at JTL's blood profile? That would be a marginal loss.

Perhaps JTL is pulling a Sir Wiggins. Big new nice contract.

 

[Netserk]

Did he forget to take a look at JTL's blood profile? That would be a marginal loss.

Perhaps JTL is pulling a Sir Wiggins. Big new nice contract.

Did he have a blood profile? He did come from a continental team after all.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What is hilarious is you stating that Contador is more successful than Froome .You support a drug cheat

Yes but hey at least I acknowledge the fact that I support a drug cheat

 

[Ferminal]

Yes but hey at least I acknowledge the fact that I support a drug cheat

I thought he stopped after 2010?

 

[Benotti69]

So yet another month goes by and still nothing but fantasies .

It was 15 years before a big mouth texan who couldn't keep his gob shut got busted. Patience leon!

 

[Afrank]

So you blame Porte for a normal steady improvement in his 20s?
Porte showed, at a young age (as it always was before 1990), in that Giro that he can climb with the best. Why should he decline? He isn´t Cobo of Saunier. Those shady come-and-go-guys are way more suspicious...

No, I don't blame Porte for anything nor am I saying he should have been declining. You asked how Porte overachieved at Sky compared to Saxo, so I was pointing out how much better he has done while at Sky versus his time with Saxo.

Had he stayed with Saxo he likely would have eventually gotten results similar to this years, but would he have turned into a world beater capable of dropping guys like Contador in the mountains, I'm not so sure.

 

[Ferminal]

Any mention of Porte in the 2010 Giro is pretty pointless without also referring to Kiserlovski and Mollema. Maybe even Kruijswijk but my memory isn't that good.

 

[EnacheV]

It was 15 years before a big mouth texan who couldn't keep his gob shut got busted. Patience leon!

Translation

Patiente Leon

the dopeborgs will have their joy when one from 1000 gets caught, proclaim a win, and conveniently forgot the rest of 999 clean guys that they painted with poo for nothing.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Did he have a blood profile? He did come from a continental team after all.

I could be wrong but isnt having at least six months of a blood profile obligatoire for signing with a pro - tour team? Didnt they make an exception for the Texas bikeshopowner back in the day?

 

[Ferminal]

The six months is just being in the OoC pool which everyone is already in. For some reason Lance removed himself and wasn't keen to sign back on even though he was planning a comeback. You often get athletes "retiring" but keeping their name on the list to avoid the hassle.

Also if I'm not wrong, any data from blood tests taken previously could be added to a "passport" once moving above Conti.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Mods, we all know by now that this is a classic bait. Everyone with more than 2 braincells knows the reason why Movistar and RS threads aren't as long as the sky ones. People who keep repeating it are only looking to troll.

Same goes on in other (unrelated to Sky) threads. For fairness the rules shall apply the same.

Anyway, since I only have one braincell, please enlighten me.
So far Sky has (since 2010) 6 podiums in GT´s, Liquigas 5, Caisse/Movistar 4, SAX-KAT-AST-LEO/RSH each 3.
If Sky is the big evil here, it just doesn´t show up in the standings. Far from dominating, even tough having the highest payroll, thus best riders...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No, I don't blame Porte for anything nor am I saying he should have been declining. You asked how Porte overachieved at Sky compared to Saxo, so I was pointing out how much better he has done while at Sky versus his time with Saxo.

Had he stayed with Saxo he likely would have eventually gotten results similar to this years, but would he have turned into a world beater capable of dropping guys like Contador in the mountains, I'm not so sure.

I am not sure either. But AC was even dropped by his own team-mate. It seems on micro dope AC isn´t the yardstick for greatness.