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Freddythefrog said:"No Shane, but I wouldn't say no to another Carling. Training starts tomorrow."
"Lance Armstrong's greatest strength was also his greatest weakness. People. He could impress people, he could charm people, he could cajole people, he could extract love and loyalty. But when he was finished he had no feel for keeping people. He had no sense of the needs they had."
This was Lance's downfall and if anybody was thinking of running a mass doping programme in the future, they would surely learn from Armstrong's failures with the human race and conclude that the way to do it would be through a corporate programme, backed by enough money that if anyone was disaffected they would be compensated for their silence, and with plenty of good pr so the few awkward questions could be drowned out.
Benotti69 said:Is this what Brailsford learnt;
"Lance Armstrong's greatest strength was also his greatest weakness. People. He could impress people, he could charm people, he could cajole people, he could extract love and loyalty. But when he was finished he had no feel for keeping people. He had no sense of the needs they had."
This was Lance's downfall and if anybody was thinking of running a mass doping programme in the future, they would surely learn from Armstrong's failures with the human race and conclude that the way to do it would be through a corporate programme, backed by enough money that if anyone was disaffected they would be compensated for their silence, and with plenty of good pr so the few awkward questions could be drowned out.
It would appear to be the case.....
“People will make their own judgements, we said enough about it this year. I think it’s harder for Chris to win the Tour than the others — the other guys don’t get the same abuse that he takes, so for Chris to come back and have the appetite to try to win the Tour de France with the French attitude, that makes it harder for him to win it.”
the sceptic said:http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/brailsford-french-attitude-make-it-harder-for-froome_388021
“People will make their own judgements, we said enough about it this year. I think it’s harder for Chris to win the Tour than the others — the other guys don’t get the same abuse that he takes, so for Chris to come back and have the appetite to try to win the Tour de France with the French attitude, that makes it harder for him to win it.”
french attitude?
the sceptic said:the sceptic said:http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/brailsford-french-attitude-make-it-harder-for-froome_388021
“People will make their own judgements, we said enough about it this year. I think it’s harder for Chris to win the Tour than the others — the other guys don’t get the same abuse that he takes, so for Chris to come back and have the appetite to try to win the Tour de France with the French attitude, that makes it harder for him to win it.”
french attitude?
sounds like Brailsford is xenophobic. Looking forward to hear Jimmyfingers thoughts on the issue.
the sceptic said:http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/10/news/brailsford-french-attitude-make-it-harder-for-froome_388021
“People will make their own judgements, we said enough about it this year. I think it’s harder for Chris to win the Tour than the others — the other guys don’t get the same abuse that he takes, so for Chris to come back and have the appetite to try to win the Tour de France with the French attitude, that makes it harder for him to win it.”
french attitude?
But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
irondan said:But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
Oh, wait. You mean Froome could do LRP like Lance did to Tyler after Tyler left USPS.
Seems plausible.
LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
irondan said:But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
Oh, wait. You mean Froome could do LRP like Lance did to Tyler after Tyler left USPS.
Seems plausible.
LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
LeindersGains said:That's the hysterical response I've ever seen, Mr. Eyesore.
Do you honestly believe that a power duo who is making the best climbers in the world look like amateurs wouldn't reveal their doping secrets to each other?
There is not ONE top rider in the peloton who doesn't share his inner secrets with his lieutenant. Landa and Aru. Valverde and Quintana. And in the past, Contador and Kreuziger. Oddly enough these guys are peaking together. Often in the stage after the rest day.
I'm pretty sure Ochowicz wants more from Porte than just wins.
pastronef said:irondan said:But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
Oh, wait. You mean Froome could do LRP like Lance did to Tyler after Tyler left USPS.
Seems plausible.
Porte has no interest in telling TJ about any secret recipe. He´ll keep it for himself (if ever there´s a secret recipe)
Braislford has no interest in busting Porte.
The one gaining some knowledge from Porte could be Rohan Dennis. I am prepared to become a Dennis fanboy in a few years
I want to win races like Paris-Nice and Catalunya again and I think next year at the Tour de France, why not have Tejay van Garderen and me there? We get along well," he said. "It is exciting to be going to a team where I am going to have so many opportunities for myself to win races."
LeindersGains said:Basso and Nibali, Giro. Contador and Leipheimer, Vuelta. Wiggo and Froome, Tour.
There are plenty of obvious examples.
pastronef said:irondan said:But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
Oh, wait. You mean Froome could do LRP like Lance did to Tyler after Tyler left USPS.
Seems plausible.
Porte has no interest in telling TJ about any secret recipe. He´ll keep it for himself (if ever there´s a secret recipe)
Braislford has no interest in busting Porte.
The one gaining some knowledge from Porte could be Rohan Dennis. I am prepared to become a Dennis fanboy in a few years
the sceptic said:pastronef said:irondan said:But Froome and Porte are BFF's...LeindersGains said:What is the chance of Porte getting busted this year now that he is a free bird? It's impossible that he is unaware of Froome's secret. I wouldn't be surprised if they had shared needle. The half-sized dawg was better than the big dawg on Madone and has the potential to beat him on a MTF. Mini-dawg is a problem and what do you do with problems? You fix them.
I don't think Brailsford like real competition. Especially not if he is telling Tejay about Sky's secret recipe.
Oh, wait. You mean Froome could do LRP like Lance did to Tyler after Tyler left USPS.
Seems plausible.
Porte has no interest in telling TJ about any secret recipe. He´ll keep it for himself (if ever there´s a secret recipe)
Braislford has no interest in busting Porte.
The one gaining some knowledge from Porte could be Rohan Dennis. I am prepared to become a Dennis fanboy in a few years
There is a secret recipe. But there is no chance Porte is smart enough to understand what sky have been doing to his body and then coherently explain it to someone else.
LeindersGains said:That's the most hysterical response I've ever seen, Mr. Eyesore.
Do you honestly believe that a power duo who is making the best climbers in the world look like amateurs wouldn't reveal their doping secrets to each other?
There is not ONE top rider in the peloton who doesn't share his inner secrets with his lieutenant. Landa and Aru. Valverde and Quintana. And in the past, Contador and Kreuziger. Oddly enough these guys are peaking together. Often in the stage after the rest day.
I'm pretty sure Ochowicz wants more from Porte than just wins.
pastronef said:LeindersGains said:That's the most hysterical response I've ever seen, Mr. Eyesore.
Do you honestly believe that a power duo who is making the best climbers in the world look like amateurs wouldn't reveal their doping secrets to each other?
There is not ONE top rider in the peloton who doesn't share his inner secrets with his lieutenant. Landa and Aru. Valverde and Quintana. And in the past, Contador and Kreuziger. Oddly enough these guys are peaking together. Often in the stage after the rest day.
I'm pretty sure Ochowicz wants more from Porte than just wins.
Landa did it all by himself, he was not part of the Astana inner circle.