Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Dr. Maserati]

Oi

Australia were in the break, coming 6th.

Well, congratulations on coming 6th

As I said, "a lesser extent Australia" - as they had a man up the road, but that means they had better cards to play.
But, the break worked well and the second attack worked (& USA & ESP had 2+ riders in break and missed the move!) , so it became a drag race.

As always the winners tactics were the best tactics

 

[xcleigh]

Yeah! I wonder if the smaller team didn't limit the effectiveness of their program.

I'm wondering if the power from "The Progam" is already vanishing. It will be very interesting to see if Sky has the ITT program they've dreamed about.

FYI, NBC in the U.S. had a bit of start-line video with Team Sky meet and greet with Prince Charles AND Pat doing the intros. Yeah, there's nothing going on there.

Or seen from a sane point of view.

Pat Mcquaid (the big chief of the UCI) introduces Prince Charles (a Royal of the host nation) to the cycling team of said host nation who are taking part in the Olympic bike race.

Yeah definitely something dodgy there.

 

[No_Balls]

I'm kinda shocked that we are taking this in stride. Nobody here is even lifting their eyebrows about what Wiggins did today?

This was extraterrestial.

And about Froome... he dropped after driving a TTT for 200 km. Shabby performance indeed!

Spot on.

With this program i am sure that Wiggins/Froome could at least win the next 20 GT or so and controlling it all from the prologue. The juice ran out today but they will take a note that "the program" wont allow a four guy team time trial for 200 kilometer after a completed GT. Yet.

 

[Normandy]

I saw the same race.


The winner is a doper and a corrupt but at the same time one of the best of last decade.

But better than 4 Sky/GB men covering 250 km to let Cav to do the last 200m.

+1

and after watching his crash last year, who would have thought he would win the Olympic Gold.

 

[The Hitch]

I think it was in this thread that there was a real heated debate about how Britain would never forgive a rider for doping unlike other countries. That on the issue Britain is morally superior.

Well all those of you who spouted that crap, on box hill today, the thousands and thousands and thousands watching the finale on the big screen gave their biggest cheer of the day when the commentator mentioned that David Millar was on the front.

Check mate the lot of you.

 

[stampedingviking]

I think it was in this thread that there was a real heated debate about how Britain would never forgive a rider for doping unlike other countries. That on the issue Britain is morally superior.

Well all those of you who spouted that crap, on box hill today, the thousands and thousands and thousands watching the finale on the big screen gave their biggest cheer of the day when the commentator mentioned that David Millar was on the front.

Check mate the lot of you.

Neither Millar nor any of the other convicted dopers should ever be allowed near a start line again.

Really should re-name this forum the Creche after noting the countless childish posts made in here.

 

[Caruut]

Neither Millar nor any of the other convicted dopers should ever be allowed near a start line again.

Really should re-name this forum the Creche after noting the countless childish posts made in here.

What about all the unconvicted dopers? There is something hilariously hollow about the level of vitriol against those who got caught when so many others walked free.

 

[Ripper]

Spot on. The fact that they were on the front all day, everyone tried to get away, and at 20km to go there was still a chance of getting a break of 30 back, shows how frigging incredible Wiggins, Froomey Millar and Stannard were today.

Ummmm ... I agree!

 

[Ripper]

Neither Millar nor any of the other convicted dopers should ever be allowed near a start line again.

Really should re-name this forum the Creche after noting the countless childish posts made in here.

Now this is foolishness. If someone is popped and pays their dues, then they should be back and racing.

FTR - I hate doping, and I really hate it when it is obvious (or someone is already determined guilty), but the rider still rides. But I think once you have paid for it, then you should be allowed back. Period.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

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Well all those of you who spouted that crap, on box hill today, the thousands and thousands and thousands watching the finale on the big screen gave their biggest cheer of the day when the commentator mentioned that David Millar was on the front.

Check mate the lot of you.

And how many of those people would have known that Miilar had been convicted of doping? Chances are that most would have been cheering because it was a Brit at the front.

 

[Franklin]

And how many of those people would have known that Miilar had been convicted of doping? Chances are that most would have been cheering because it was a Brit at the front.

Now that might be true... but how about those other medal candidates that have a tendency to miss tests? Nobody knows?

Brits are not a hair better than other sporting cultures. Not a hair.

 

[Boeing]

Neither Millar nor any of the other convicted dopers should ever be allowed near a start line again.

Really should re-name this forum the Creche after noting the countless childish posts made in here.

does a dogmatic statement count as childish too? I think it does.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Now that might be true... but how about those other medal candidates that have a tendency to miss tests? Nobody knows?

Are you alluding to Christine Ohuruogu? If not, I might be missing what you are saying.

Brits are not a hair better than other sporting cultures. Not a hair.

Have I ever said otherwise?

 

[Franklin]

Have I ever said otherwise?

You implied they wouldn't have cheered had they known he was an ex doper. I think the (British) public doesn't really care.

And for the record, I hear a lot of Brits were okay with Vino winning, with a fair share of sour grapes, but that's to be expected. The media makes more of the "anti-doping" sentiments of the public than there is in reality.

And no, I don't accuse you of any high-snooted opinions. You are a decent enough bloke it seems

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

You implied they wouldn't have cheered had they known he was an ex doper. I think the (British) public doesn't really care.

I just meant that a lot of people would be uninformed as to Millar's history.

As to their reaction if they did know, you are probably right, it may not have been that different. However, a lot of it would be how he is portrayed in the press. If he was portrayed as 'David Millar the drug cheat' then maybe it would not have been so great. But it is 'David Millar now anti-doping crusader' so even in that case he probably would have been treated favourably. In reality most of the British public would not even know who he is.

And for the record, I hear a lot of Brits were okay with Vino winning, with a fair share of sour grapes, but that's to be expected. The media makes more of the "anti-doping" sentiments of the public than there is in reality.

Vino served his time and that should be the end of it imo. Again, most of the general public would have been unaware of his history and when they find out would dislike the idea of him winning yet at the same time give someone like Christine Ohuruogu a free pass.

Was really sh!tty how Vino was interviewed straight after his win. That would never have happened with Millar.

You are a decent enough bloke it seems

Thanks. Ditto.

 

[Jeanne]

I just meant that a lot of people would be uninformed as to Millar's history.

As to their reaction if they did know, you are probably right, it may not have been that different. However, a lot of it would be how he is portrayed in the press. If he was portrayed as 'David Millar the drug cheat' then maybe it would not have been so great. But it is 'David Millar now anti-doping crusader' so even in that case he probably would have been treated favourably. In reality most of the British public would not even know who he is.



Vino served his time and that should be the end of it imo. Again, most of the general public would have been unaware of his history and when they find out would dislike the idea of him winning yet at the same time give someone like Christine Ohuruogu a free pass.

Was really sh!tty how Vino was interviewed straight after his win. That would never have happened with Millar.


Thanks. Ditto.

To the bolded part: Oh so yes! The TV-Commentator even felt the need to say sth like: "Lets not cheer right now, better wait until the results of his doping test are back". I mean WTF?!? That really p*ssed me off quite a bit. I don't see how BS like that is helping fight against doping. That was just lame.

 

[the big ring]

To the bolded part: Oh so yes! The TV-Commentator even felt the need to say sth like: "Lets not cheer right now, better wait until the results of his doping test are back". I mean WTF?!? That really p*ssed me off quite a bit. I don't see how BS like that is helping fight against doping. That was just lame.

Grapes of sour wrath.

 

[Jeanne]

Grapes of sour wrath.

I'm just sick of all the "cycling-bashing".

 

[Montanus]

What about all the unconvicted dopers? There is something hilariously hollow about the level of vitriol against those who got caught when so many others walked free.

Yeah, lets bash those not convicted of doping just as hard as dopers...

Oh, that's just happening in this thread.

 

[Sigmund]

I'm kinda shocked that we are taking this in stride. Nobody here is even lifting their eyebrows about what Wiggins did today?

This was extraterrestial.

And about Froome... he dropped after driving a TTT for 200 km. Shabby performance indeed!

Honestly, they avereaged 43 km/h. A strong ride but nothing extra terrestrial at all!

In Norway we have lots of Races done as a team time trial, for example the Lillehammer - Oslo race of 190 km, winning times this year 4:06 or an average of 46 km/h. Granted the teams are bigger than 5, I d say usually there are abput 10 guys doing all the work, but we are talking rank amateurs here, Mamils doing some dedicated work for three four months!

 

[The Valley]

No fortunately for the UCI bigwigs gullible idiots like yourself follow cycling too. So they can get away with continuing to sell their brand of "the new clean cycling" to the ignorant masses and keep the cash cow alive.

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

 

[Caruut]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

How exactly do you discern "genuinely clean riders", then? What's your technique, how do you work it out?

 

[Benotti69]

Gullible? I'll tell you who's gullible: AAA (armchair anti-doping authority) idiots who automatically assume that Wiggins is doping just because he won the Tour.

I actually feel sorry for people who have been so worn down by the years of doping and cheating that they've lost all ability to discern genuinely clean riders.

Evans won last year's Tour as a clean rider, and Bradley Wiggins won this year's Tour as a clean rider. Eat it.

Maybe if you read the thread you would understand that there is more to winning the TdF that people are questioning Sky and Wiggins. That they are working with 2 doctors who have a history of doping.

BMC last year had trouble with doping, a soignuer was caught with PEDS, or did you forget that?

How do you know Wiggins is 'genuinely' clean? Were you there 24/7 for the last year?
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[BroDeal]

To the bolded part: Oh so yes! The TV-Commentator even felt the need to say sth like: "Lets not cheer right now, better wait until the results of his doping test are back". I mean WTF?!?

Maybe it was not specifically about Vino. It could have been a general statement about any pro cycling win.

 

[xcleigh]

How do you know Wiggins is 'genuinely' clean? Were you there 24/7 for the last year?

Plenty of people on here are pretty sure Wiggins is doped, how do they know that with any certainty?

Charles Darwin "On reading (Erasmus Darwin's Laws of Organic Life) a second time after an interval of ten or fifteen years I was much disappointed; the proportion of speculation being so large to the facts given"

Thanks to It's not Rocket Science by Ben Miller for the above quote.