Teams & Riders Team Movistar-thread

[Movitrain]

Castrillo and Samitier finished 1st and 2nd respectively in the U23 Spanish ITT NC ... both seem to be good rouleurs for that matter.

Castrillo also did quite well in the Baby Giro, finishing 20th overall, though far down on Sivakov.

Two of the most promising talents Spain has to offer, though it's like most years regarding the european cycling scene, the big market teams fight for the best talents (Sivakov, Halvorsen, Lambrecht) while Movistar sticks to the spanish ones, which don't quite reach that level.

 

[Angliru]

Re:

At least it might stop the whinging about how strong Sky are

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

 

[Moviestar]

Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

I guess Libertine Seguros can tell you a lot about these riders. His posts are always interesting to read.

 

[kingjr]

Re: Re:

At least it might stop the whinging about how strong Sky are

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whinge

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

I guess Libertine Seguros can tell you a lot of these riders. His posts are always interesting to read.

Should have his own cycling blog or web site. Would be a wealth of information and entertaining.

 

[Angliru]

Re: Re:

At least it might stop the whinging about how strong Sky are

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whinge

And here I always thought it was spelled whine. Thanks!

 

[Beech Mtn]

Re: Re:

At least it might stop the whinging about how strong Sky are

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whinge

And here I always thought it was spelled whine. Thanks!

If you're American, it is spelled "whine." One of those Brit/US differences

 

[Moviestar]

Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

They need such riders. At the moment only De La Parte and Soler meet the expectations in the mountains. D.Moreno and Fernandez have really underperformed so far this year.

 

[kingjr]

Re: Re:

At least it might stop the whinging about how strong Sky are

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whinge

And here I always thought it was spelled whine. Thanks!

If you're American, it is spelled "whine." One of those Brit/US differences

Brad McGee used it on this site in his 2001 TdF diary referring to Davide Bramati. So apparently some Australians also use it ;p

 

[bigcog]

So Landa's move isn't the done deal everyone was saying ?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

At the moment only De La Parte and Soler meet the expectations in the mountains. D.Moreno and Fernandez have really underperformed so far this year.

I do not disagree with the reasoning. They need such riders, altho I think Anacona needs to be added to that list. Its interesting however that none of these riders were selected for the TdF. ¨
However, I doubt how much Sepulveda can add, I have personally have had big hopes for him each season but he never seems to be able to put it together. Kudus and Roson are both super interesting riders tho, young and I think they have great potential. Both of them are riding the Vuelta, their first GT this year, so there''s hope for great performances from the both of them. Would welcome both, but I think Sepulveda has become kinda mediocre. You never know tho how much changing teams might do, especially going from a conservative, small budget team to Movistar.

Considering they are going after these folks Im surprised I have heard no rumours about Nieve -> Movistar. My favourite domestique in the sport.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

I guess Libertine Seguros can tell you a lot about these riders. His posts are always interesting to read.

Yes please. I always enjoy reading his/her posts!

 

[Ruudz0r]

Re: Re:

So thats 4 more or less pure climbers from the pro ranks.

Can anyone tell me about Samitier and Castrillo?

At the moment only De La Parte and Soler meet the expectations in the mountains. D.Moreno and Fernandez have really underperformed so far this year.

I do not disagree with the reasoning. They need such riders, altho I think Anacona needs to be added to that list. Its interesting however that none of these riders were selected for the TdF. ¨
However, I doubt how much Sepulveda can add, I have personally have had big hopes for him each season but he never seems to be able to put it together. Kudus and Roson are both super interesting riders tho, young and I think they have great potential. Both of them are riding the Vuelta, their first GT this year, so there''s hope for great performances from the both of them. Would welcome both, but I think Sepulveda has become kinda mediocre. You never know tho how much changing teams might do, especially going from a conservative, small budget team to Movistar.

Considering they are going after these folks Im surprised I have heard no rumours about Nieve -> Movistar. My favourite domestique in the sport.

Sepulveda has had a LOT of bad luck though in the last year, every time he was finally hitting form he broke something, in this Tour also when the Tour just began for him he crashed hard while in the break of the day. So for me there is still hope for him, though I obviously would have hoped for more so far as well.
Kudus on the other hand hasnt made enough progression for my liking, he starts the season in good condition (each year basically), but when others start to hit form, you dont see a lot from him. A result like 15 in Suisse isnt bad of course, but he is not standing out at all (and just riding in the pack in that race), I had very very high hopes for him, but I am not a big believer anymore as he has been pro for over 3.5 years now and really hasnt progressed much. I hope I am wrong though as I do like Kudus.

Regarding Castrillo and Samitier, both have won some races in Spain this year. Samitier won 5 mainly races finishing on a climb and Castrillo won 3 races (two climbing races and the national ITT). In Spain they are pretty dominant but international it's a different story, which is often the case with Spanish youth riders. I think both will mainly become climbers and both could become good pro's!

 

[TMP402]

Re: Re:

Of course it's not whining if it's true.

Why do some spell it "whinging" instead of "whining"? Wouldn't the former be pronounced the same as "winging"?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whinge

And here I always thought it was spelled whine. Thanks!

If you're American, it is spelled "whine." One of those Brit/US differences

Brad McGee used it on this site in his 2001 TdF diary referring to Davide Bramati. So apparently some Australians also use it ;p

They're two different, but very similar, words, which mean very nearly the same thing. But they are different:

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2007/03/on-whinge-and-whine.html

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Samitier and Castrillo have been the pick of the Lizarte riders this year, and were the ones a few of us were earmarking to be this year's promotions to Movistar as soon as they elected to promote Carretero last year. Definitely Samitier, who's been a standout junior/espoir for a while in the Spanish scene. Sérgio was the more ready at that point in time, but Castrillo has come of age this year. While both have decent TT potential they are both climbers first and foremost. Samitier won the Vuelta a Bidasoa, one of the most important espoir races in Spain, taking a win on a HTF and launching an attack on the Jaizkibel; he has good explosive acceleration on the climbs, has won Muritos and also has good burst to win sprints from select groups, so while I had him down as more of a climber, he's a much more complete rider, but will still be more of a stage racer / hilly one-day races guy along the lines of many of the big Spaniards of the last generation. Despite his U23 TT success I still think Castrillo is more of a pure climber; he was the one Lizarte guy who really 'fit in' with the best of the espoirs from overseas in the team's expedition to the Giro della Valle d'Aosta, finishing top 20 and being strong in the major ascents which are longer and more grinding than most that he faces in the Basque-Navarrese scene, which tend to be more inconsistent and medium in length.

However, they were the only logical choices to promote from Lizarte this year, so if they do go Landa, Sepúlveda and Rosón (the Kudus rumour came around a couple of years ago, I don't know how much legs it has but I know Unzué is very high on the guy) and promote both Samitier and Castrillo, then that's a lot of escaladores coming on board, and not much horsepower for the flats especially with it looking likely that Gorka goes, and rumours about Castroviejo too. The only real logical alternative would have been Dzmitry Zhygunou, but then they might lose either Samitier or Castrillo if another team offers them, like they lost Óscar Rodríguez to Murias last year.

 

[yaco]

Surprised that Rory Sutherland is not on the provisional start list for the Vuelta - A versatile and experienced rider will be invaluable for the inexperienced team. Strange indeed.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Theres nothing strange about it considering Valv and Quintana arent riding, so that means a lot of young guys will have the opportunity to race a GT. Need to invest in the future

 

[yaco]

Re:

Theres nothing strange about it considering Valv and Quintana arent riding, so that means a lot of young guys will have the opportunity to race a GT. Need to invest in the future

You need an experienced rider to control the flat, protect the young riders and to captain on the road.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Theres nothing strange about it considering Valv and Quintana arent riding, so that means a lot of young guys will have the opportunity to race a GT. Need to invest in the future

You need an experienced rider to control the flat, protect the young riders and to captain on the road.

And Sutherland is the only experienced rouleur on this team?

 

[Escarabajo]

So Sepulveda for 2 years with the team. Let's see what kind of races Movistar has planned for him to do.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

Theres nothing strange about it considering Valv and Quintana arent riding, so that means a lot of young guys will have the opportunity to race a GT. Need to invest in the future

You need an experienced rider to control the flat, protect the young riders and to captain on the road.

And Sutherland is the only experienced rouleur on this team?

I am looking at the provisional startlist provided by MS - Hardly see an experienced rouleur in that last - possibly you could consider Rojas and that's it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

If Rojas doesnt fit that criteria no one does.

 

[silvergrenade]

What benefits would Landa get if he moves to Movistar?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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What benefits would Landa get if he moves to Movistar?

Nothing really. Yes, he will have 100% leadership in the Giro instead of sharing it with Thomas, but thats about it. He will slot into the exact same role at Movistar most likely.

 

[silvergrenade]

Re: Re:

What benefits would Landa get if he moves to Movistar?

Nothing really. Yes, he will have 100% leadership in the Giro instead of sharing it with Thomas, but thats about it. He will slot into the exact same role at Movistar most likely.

Thanks.
But he might have a weaker team than Sky might provide around him...