Team pre season camp thread.

[The Sheep]

it's a bit of a pointless discussion if you don't know the distance of the run.

 

[El Pistolero]

Lance did the NYC marathon in 2.46. First attempt 2.59

Ok so he was a triathlete once. What about this then.

Beloki run the NYC marathon in 2.53, first attempt without any pacemakers, and this was long after his crash and retirement.


Seems some of them can run and then some.

Miguel Indurain was even faster I think. And someone else as well, but I forgot his name.

As for Merckx, he had a nasty crash in '69 which could of had an impact on his running. He never felt comfortably on a bike anymore after that crash as well. And after he retired he couldn't even ride a bike anymore because the pain was too much. Also has back problems and other problems.

 

[taiwan]

Liquigas camp: A number of riders said to be racing in January, but not at TDU. Fair to assume this is most or all of the Tour de San Luis lineup?

Vincenzo Nibali, Elia Viviani, Tiziano Dall’Antonia, Timmy Duggan, Ted King, Moreno Moser and Josè Sarmiento.

Wait, maybe Viviani and Dall'Antonia are racing in India again.

 

[craig1985]

why wouldn't they do AFF? seems weird that a pro athlete would trust his life to someone else. I would think he would be perfectly capable of Accelerated Free Fall. I have skydived a dozen times and have never been strapped to anybody.

Personally I would rather trust somebody who has a few thousand jumps under their belt then myself.

 

[Mambo95]

Lance did the NYC marathon in 2.46. First attempt 2.59

Ok so he was a triathlete once. What about this then.

Beloki run the NYC marathon in 2.53, first attempt without any pacemakers, and this was long after his crash and retirement.


Seems some of them can run and then some.

Rolf Aldag did the Hamburg marathon in 2.42. That's the best I've seen.

Jalabert did NYC in 2.55. He also came 76th in Ironman Hawaii in 2007, doing a 3.10 at the end of that.

 

[Anonymous]

team sky holding another one of their webchats from training camp. Tonight will Geraint Thomas, Luke Rowe and Mechanic Alan Williams

details on their facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/TeamSky?ref=ts

and mallorca training gallery
http://www.teamsky.com/gallery/0,27401,17548_7376159,00.html

 

[Thomsena]

Personally I would rather trust somebody who has a few thousand jumps under their belt then myself.

This. Would never jump myself without any experience and I believe that's not recommended by anyone either.

 

[Christian]

Jalabert did NYC in 2.55. He also came 76th in Ironman Hawaii in 2007, doing a 3.10 at the end of that.

I didn't know Jalabert did the Ironman?! That guy is so awesome

 

[hrotha]

Of course cyclists can be good runners after some specific training, but Ryo meant you can't take a pro cyclist who is also an untrained runner and have him run fast, because he doesn't have the right muscle mass or (generally speaking) the technique.

 

[protourfan]

Any dates confirmed for the January camps of BMC, Radioshack and Sky?

 

[The Hitch]

Of course cyclists can be good runners after some specific training, but Ryo meant you can't take a pro cyclist who is also an untrained runner and have him run fast, because he doesn't have the right muscle mass or (generally speaking) the technique.

He said that cyclists are poor runners. Seems to be another one of those Ryo generalizations to me.

 

[42x16ss]

Rolf Aldag did the Hamburg marathon in 2.42. That's the best I've seen.

Jalabert did NYC in 2.55. He also came 76th in Ironman Hawaii in 2007, doing a 3.10 at the end of that.

That was after making up something like 850 places on the bike leg!!! JaJa still looks pretty fit now he's well into his 40's.

FWIW Adam Hansen (OPQS?) was also a successful triathlete before making the switch to pure cycling. He probably still carries enough upper body to still be a strong swimmer.

 

[roundabout]

IIRC Udo Bölts did the Ironman while he was still an active pro

Ah, here's the link

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2000/oct00/oct18news.shtml

He did 3.59 with little preparation so I would say that in running training counts.

 

[Anonymous]

Any dates confirmed for the January camps of BMC, Radioshack and Sky?

sky's camp has been underway for a week and goes on for about another 8 weeks.. look two posts above.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I can cycle all day, but if I try and run my hamstrings tighten up and I can barely walk the next day. Maybe that is why I am ****.

not that i can cycle all day but can for sometime and i have hard time with badminton

 

[CobbleStoner]

Originally Posted by craig1985
Personally I would rather trust somebody who has a few thousand jumps under their belt then myself.

This. Would never jump myself without any experience and I believe that's not recommended by anyone either.

really? statistically there are more injuries with tandem jumps than AFF. with tandem, you do nothing, you are just ballast strapped to some guy with your life in his hands. with AFF you go through a much more intensive training course so you know what's going on in every aspect of your jump. there are 2 instructors holding onto your flight suit when you exit the plane, they make sure you are ok and pull your rip cord, then you get to fly the canopy and land, instead of being a sack of potatoes hitting the ground.
my point being that Bert is a top pro athlete that has the confidence and mental ability to handle AFF, just dents my respect and admiration for his racing seeing him take the wussie way.

 

[Thomsena]

Jumping out of a plane would be a huge challenge for me and to get the feeling for it I would prefer a tandem with someone who knows, in case of trouble, exactly how to react. Couldn't care less if it's the 'wussie way'. If I enjoyed it, which I likely would, I'd probably try a solo one. But just by doing it in the first place recieves great respect from me - alone or with someone helping.
I can't see anything related that him being a pro athlete should be some kind adrenaline junkie.

 

[craig1985]

Originally Posted by craig1985
Personally I would rather trust somebody who has a few thousand jumps under their belt then myself.



really? statistically there are more injuries with tandem jumps than AFF. with tandem, you do nothing, you are just ballast strapped to some guy with your life in his hands. with AFF you go through a much more intensive training course so you know what's going on in every aspect of your jump. there are 2 instructors holding onto your flight suit when you exit the plane, they make sure you are ok and pull your rip cord, then you get to fly the canopy and land, instead of being a sack of potatoes hitting the ground.
my point being that Bert is a top pro athlete that has the confidence and mental ability to handle AFF, just dents my respect and admiration for his racing seeing him take the wussie way.

What if they had no choice in doing it tandem or if he is good with heights and jumping out of the plane? The point is you really don't know he is thinking. I've been to Paris but I never went up to the top of the Eiffel Tower as I don't like heights that much, but flying half way around the world is not an issue for me, except for being cramped for room in economy class.

 

[daveinzambia]

Jumping out of a plane would be a huge challenge for me and to get the feeling for it I would prefer a tandem with someone who knows, in case of trouble, exactly how to react. Couldn't care less if it's the 'wussie way'. If I enjoyed it, which I likely would, I'd probably try a solo one. But just by doing it in the first place recieves great respect from me - alone or with someone helping.
I can't see anything related that him being a pro athlete should be some kind adrenaline junkie.

Simple case of practicality. having done both options there is a big difference (well at least there was when i did it)

want to do a one off jump. Do a tandem, turn up at the place, get strapped on to a guy. go up, jump out, do a minutes free fall.

want to do a solo jump. for first jump you must do a fixed line jump. that is your chute is effectively attached to the plane so when you jump out the chute is automatically pulled. you get about 2 or 3 seconds of free fall and then float down. more scary to jump out but in the long run not as much fun. You must also attend a full day of training before the jump. learning how to do a parachute roll landing and how to pull reserve chute etc.

if you want to do proper free fall you must do at least 4 jumps i believe. 2 fixed line, 2 non fixed line but pulling chute immediately. only then can you do any find of freefall.

so yes it is a bit wussy to do it strapped to someone else but much easier to do. and frankly in terms of fear i found bungy jumping considerably more scary, because you are so close to the ground.

 

[Thomsena]

That's all good and well (don't know if you are trying to convince me getting on a parachute plane here...) but you don't know any of the circumstances with this jump. As always, the Saxo camp is about teamwork. What if this exercise was about giving up 100% control to someone else and trust this 'someone else'. And for a rider like Contador, though he's one of the best riders in the world, he is depending on his teammates and the ones around him. I'm not saying that it's necessarily what it's about, but after watching hightlights from their camp every year that would be just the exercise for a Saxo-camp.

 

[maltiv]

Lars Petter Nordhaug was the first rider to the top of Salvador at Sky's training camp. Not even the Colombians can keep up with the Norwegian climbing prodigy

 

[daveinzambia]

Lars Petter Nordhaug was the first rider to the top of Salvador at Sky's training camp. Not even the Colombians can keep up with the Norwegian climbing prodigy

Saw reports he was climbing well but from the photos i have seen not sure there are any colombians there at the moment. Could be wrong.

 

[CobbleStoner]

That's all good and well (don't know if you are trying to convince me getting on a parachute plane here...) but you don't know any of the circumstances with this jump. As always, the Saxo camp is about teamwork. What if this exercise was about giving up 100% control to someone else and trust this 'someone else'. And for a rider like Contador, though he's one of the best riders in the world, he is depending on his teammates and the ones around him. I'm not saying that it's necessarily what it's about, but after watching hightlights from their camp every year that would be just the exercise for a Saxo-camp.

very good point, and to me, the only credible reason to do tandem, just my opinion.
ed. I never had to do static line, my first jump was AFF and I had a full minute of free fall before I pulled the cord and the 2 instructors let go of my flight suit, Lake Elsinore, Ca.

 

[oboy77]

Katusha in Tuscany. Still on Focus?

http://it-it.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.261930870529356.85672.147787385277039&type=1

 

[Michele]

We're not in 2012 yet.