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[Mayomaniac]

The Rabo curse is real and returned alongside the name...

 

[theyoungest]

They have been riding above their paygrade for a few years, and now that some of the people who were responsible for those successes behind the scenes have moved to greener (better paying) pastures it seems that the performance has gone down the drain as well. Not entirely, they did after all still win the Giro, but something about the preparation for this Tour is obviously not quite right. They've been focusing on all the wrong things, as well as that some of their riders are just past their peak, Van Aert being the most obvious one.

 

[Breh]

I really hate to see Vingegaard suffer like that, really hoped he could've put up a fight.

But as they say, always finish on a positive note:

I really enjoyed seeing VLAB implode like they did.
Benoot did nothing from the break, didn't see WvA, hope he enjoyed his breakway yesterday, Kuss dropped Yates and Jorgenson just before he dropped himself.
Vingegaard completely isolated on the first 1000meters of Hautacam.


Absolutely comical. Bunch of clowns and I'll never stop enjoying their clowning.

 

[jono]

I really hate to see Vingegaard suffer like that, really hoped he could've put up a fight.

But as they say, always finish on a positive note:

I really enjoyed seeing VLAB implode like they did.
Benoot did nothing from the break, didn't see WvA, hope he enjoyed his breakway yesterday, Kuss dropped Yates and Jorgenson just before he dropped himself.
Vingegaard completely isolated on the first 1000meters of Hautacam.


Absolutely comical. Bunch of clowns and I'll never stop enjoying their clowning.

Trine, is this you?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Then again you can't blame them for trying, other teams rarely do.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Thinking back, the saddest thing is that Vingegaard didn't even get ridden off the wheel. He was dropped immediately. He cannot produce that kind of wattage, after that lenght of a stage. It wasn't a fight, it was a slavage mission, and he lost that as well.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@ChewbaccaDefense

I mean Jonas could have finished third, there are worse things. As for head to head battle with Pogi, on hills, it became apparent at Dauphine, that Pogi is a notch above now.

 

[Rackham]

Thinking back, the saddest thing is that Vingegaard didn't even get ridden off the wheel. He was dropped immediately. He cannot produce that kind of wattage, after that lenght of a stage. It wasn't a fight, it was a slavage mission, and he lost that as well.

Pog's attack was delirious. He made Armstrong's attack on Pantani on those same slopes 25 years ago look like a slow motion geriatric race by comparison.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pog's attack was delirious. He made Armstrong's attack on Pantani on those same slopes 25 years ago look like a slow motion geriatric race by comparison.

His attack was incredible. He actually suffocated himself a bit but then set a very high pace anyway.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I really hate to see Vingegaard suffer like that, really hoped he could've put up a fight.

But as they say, always finish on a positive note:

I really enjoyed seeing VLAB implode like they did.
Benoot did nothing from the break, didn't see WvA, hope he enjoyed his breakway yesterday, Kuss dropped Yates and Jorgenson just before he dropped himself.
Vingegaard completely isolated on the first 1000meters of Hautacam.


Absolutely comical. Bunch of clowns and I'll never stop enjoying their clowning.

Yeah, that was unbelievable. On the lower slopes of Soulor they looked impeccable: Remco dropped, other suffering, would Pogi survive after the crash? Then Kuss grilled his own teammate (Jorge), then on Borderes Yates was in trouble. An acceleration by hills specialists (Wellens, Narvaez) totally isolated Vingegaard on Hautacam. His climbing army shredded to pieces. Then Pogi ends it all with incredible acceleration (crash? what crash?).

It kinda reminded me of AdH'01 stage: Telekom ruled (USPS and Armstrong pretended to be in troubles) only to be crushed by Armstrong's attack on AdH.

 

[Statze2]

I think they made a lot of good moves yesterday. Just turns out, that some other riders were stronger and some Visma riders not 100 % top, top shape.
Benoot in the Break, can come back from the Break and hand over some bottles/ice or deliver one big turn between the Mountains. Haven ´t seen this, maybe it didn ´t Happen or Not on Camera. They wanted to pace high and isolate Pogacar from his domestiques. Good try but they had to slow down because Jorgenson and Yates got dropped. Thats why Yates and Narvarez survived. In the end Pogacar decided to attack, and we all know Nobody can follow him - sad but thats the truth. Visma tried and the plan was good, but some riders were to weak - no shame for that. If they haven ´t tried the outcome would have been the same and we would blame them for not trying.

 

[tigabara]

So, what went wrong with Jumbo Visma's plans and strategies?

 

[YavorD]

So, what went wrong with Jumbo Visma's plans and strategies?

Quite simply "Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face".

 

[pastronef]

so, what about 2026 for Visma/Vingo?

Giro-Vuelta?

 

[SHAD0W93]

so, what about 2026 for Visma/Vingo?

Giro-Vuelta?

Depending on how this race and the rest of the year finishes maybe just 1 GT. His wife sounds like she wants him home more and I’m sure the crash last year was very stressful.

 

[Pozzovivo]

So, what went wrong with Jumbo Visma's plans and strategies?

Their leader was not on the same level as their competitor. That's it.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

They could win 3-4 stages now if they settle for second and start sending Yates, Kuss, Jorgenson, WVA, Campy in the breaks.

 

[Oldman]

The Rabo curse is real and returned alongside the name...

It wasn't a curse from an old Slovakian crone....It was one of their own making that most could see slowly developing.
Yesterdays' stage started to show the problem early:

Niermann: "We didn't expect this"​

“We didn't expect this. But it is what it is; we have to deal with it, Niermann summed up his team's day. “The best rider won in the end, we have to be honest about that. I haven't spoken to Jonas yet, so I don't know exactly how he felt. It probably wasn't his best day, but he's still the best of the rest.

Problem is; they could see the inevitable but kept up the same self-defeating aggression in the wrong places.
One Positive: if Remco finally decides to leave his current team he has plenty of data to compare the strategies he'll deal with on his next choice.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So, what went wrong with Jumbo Visma's plans and strategies?

Trine.

P.S. Nothing really, Pogi just got better.

 

[Keldergoat]

Van Baarle leaves the team.

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[Earns1985]

Curious to see, how they schedule Brennan and Kooij for the rest of the season. Is it already clear, that Kooij will leave at the end of the season?

In August they will ride
Pologne
Tour de L'Ain
Denmark
Czech tour
ADAC Cyclassics
Renewi Tour
Deutschland Tour
Vuelta
Bretagne

Vuelta Line-Up is already announced without them. Van Aert will return at the Deutschland Tour and Tour de 'Ain doesn´t have anything for sprinters.

So perhaps Kooij in Pologne and Renewi Tour?
Brennan in Denmark, ADAC Cyclassics, Deutschland Tour and Bretagne?
In Denmark and the Deutschland Tour Brennan could also go for GC, although Denmark has a ITT of 14 km this year in its route...

 

[Red Rick]

Obviously not happening but would it be such a terrible idea to toss Brennan in the Vuelta? Do the occasional water carrying job on a mountain stage, but he's not the type of sprinter that should be fighting time limits and the Vuelta isn't a hard time limit race to start with.

 

[Earns1985]

Obviously not happening but would it be such a terrible idea to toss Brennan in the Vuelta? Do the occasional water carrying job on a mountain stage, but he's not the type of sprinter that should be fighting time limits and the Vuelta isn't a hard time limit race to start with.

Well he is 19 and given the fact, how long they waited until they let Kooij ride a GT and the fact, that they will be the team to beat at the vuelta, it´s understandable that they wait with a GT for Brennan at least until next year.

 

[Earns1985]

So, they will bring both Brennan and Kooij to Pologne.

Uijtdebroeks not to Pologne, but going to the Tour de l'Ain instead. (Which makes sense given the profiles)

 

[Oldman]

The Rabo curse is real and returned alongside the name...

If Pauline finds a way to lose tomorrow I'll believe it. As far as the current men's team; they've had more than enough crashes and questionable direction in races. Every team roster has it's historical peak, too.