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TheGame said:
Mallorca is the main British Cycling base. They book a hotel from November all the way through to February for Team Sky but also the whole of British Cycling. Tenerife has better climbing options and slightly higher, and with equipment already on Mallorca its fairly easy to get things over to Tenerife for the guys who want tougher training. Then they use Tenerife the rest of the year.

This is true.
The track team love climbing Sa Calobra!

Mrs John Murphy said:
Do we know from the USADA evidence when USP/Motorola started going to Tenerife to meet with Ferrari?

Mentioned with Heras, so 2001???
 
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Mellow Velo said:
This is true.
The track team love climbing Sa Calobra!



Mentioned with Heras, so 2001???

did lance train there in 1999 / 2000?

otherwise, the timing seems to coincide with a reliable epo test.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
I've been scanning the affidavits again. Tyler says he was on a Ferrari epo camp in March 2001.
Nothing earlier, so far.........

from a practical pov, it seems unlikely that someone comes up with the idea so... quickly? how would you even know there were suitable facilities, etc? it's remote, not like ferrari was just passing by.

then i think: can we determine when the hotel was built? and who owns it?
 
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Mellow Velo said:
This is true.
The track team love climbing Sa Calobra!



Mentioned with Heras, so 2001???

Mallorca is just for easy rides, massages, get together, and working out training plans etc. Its not a serious camp.
 
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TheGame said:
Mallorca is the main British Cycling base. They book a hotel from November all the way through to February for Team Sky but also the whole of British Cycling. Tenerife has better climbing options and slightly higher, and with equipment already on Mallorca its fairly easy to get things over to Tenerife for the guys who want tougher training. Then they use Tenerife the rest of the year.

in tenerife you can "rest high train low" that is one of the physiological base of altitude training.
something that you cannot do in mallorca, where people go because it is warm and you can climb.

if you do not get that, it just means that you do not know how it works altitude training.
altiutde training does not proove thart people do not dope.
this is another issue.
the issue for me her it is just to let you understand that tenerife is a great spot for training, especially in winter, when in many places is too cold to train in altitude.
if you do not get that, there is no reason to discuss anymore .

for instance, in winter and early spring, liquigas usually goes to teide or etna. in advanced spring and summer in passo san pellegrino.
if they dope , they do in both places. if they don't they don't.
so easy
 

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Mrs John Murphy said:
Was that before or after you got cancer, or before or after Eddy Merckx introduced you to Ferrari?

I am disappointed at quite how childish some of the posters are on such a respected forum.

I answered a question on how long tenerife has been used as a cycling training base.
 
L'arriviste said:
Nice little video here showing a very youthful Hinault training on his (rather rough looking) local Breton roads:

http://www.ina.fr/sport/cyclisme/vi...trait-du-jeune-espoir-bernard-hinault.fr.html

I doubt Hinault trained much outside of his home region. It was not common for riders to move for training, since it was believed in a rustic sort of way that tougher training conditions made the rider tougher and that certainly held true for Hinault's 1980 Liège-Bastogne-Liège. :D

Thanks for the link. You see him on the typical back roads of the area (where I have raced quite often).

Funny to see his wife looking like a shy young girl; she has grown, in 2007 she became the mayor of Calorguen, their hometown.

http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/madame-la-maire-s-appelle-hinault-07-07-2008-3298612331.php

In those days local amateurs would go for a week-long training camp on the French riviera in february or so.

I have no idea what he did for training when he became a pro, except that it's universally known that he was pretty lazy and far preferred racing to training.
 
profff said:
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the issue for me her it is just to let you understand that tenerife is a great spot for training, especially in winter, when in many places is too cold to train in altitude.

I was in Tenerife on a family vacation in February 2001. I managed to rent a mountain bike (couldn't find a road bike to rent).
The weather on the southern side of the island is very nice even in february (it "never" rains on the south side) and the road are OK.

Although I didn't spend much time on the roads, I saw quite a few cyclists training there.
We were staying in the Club Meb, the 2nd smallest Club Med there was at the time, family atmosphere if you can believe it, it was great. Prices seemed ok to me.

Of course, you can also go to La Gomera, a short hop away, where Colombus made his last water refill in 1492.
 

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Le breton said:
I was in Tenerife on a family vacation in February 2001. I managed to rent a mountain bike (couldn't find a road bike to rent).
The weather on the southern side of the island is very nice even in february (it "never" rains on the south side) and the road are OK.

Although I didn't spend much time on the roads, I saw quite a few cyclists training there.
We were staying in the Club Meb, the 2nd smallest Club Med there was at the time, family atmosphere if you can believe it, it was great. Prices seemed ok to me.

Of course, you can also go to La Gomera, a short hop away, where Colombus made his last water refill in 1492.

Regards other islands in the chain

A lot of triathletes train at la santa lanzarote - in part for the ironman, but I have also seen national tri teams there. Riis did a training camp back in 95 there before winning the tour. Some of the pro cycling team brochures have in the past shown poses at recognisable locations on lanzarote too, but it is not altitude and there are no big climbs. I have not seen pro teams there in recent years.

La palma can be good for casual MTB training along the caldera backbone at moderate altitude or at least it was back in 2000, all the way up to the height of the telescopes. There is a good ultra trail race transvulcania too.
 
andy1234 said:
In that case maybe It was me.
I will be contacting Ferrari for royalties.

Nobody led the change. It was something many if us did informally, with little planning or structure.

Like many things, it just became more refined and professional over the years.

Quick question. If you indeed were of this level, why do you seem so blissfully ignorant about just how much doping goes on?
 
Tilford's blog from May in regards to Tenerife:

http://stevetilford.com/?p=19097

It seems weird to me that people are doing interviews with riders about whether they would/will be a “credible” Tour winner, if they happened to win in July. Cyclingnews had an article a couple days ago with Bradley Wiggins where he talks about it would be better to win after Cadel than after some other rider that has turned up positive recently.

I had/have no idea what the guy is talking about. Why would it matter who you follow winning the Tour? Doping in sport is bad news for everyone. And especially in cycling, which has obviously had more than its share of problems. But to imply it is better to win the Tour after Cadel than after Contador or Floyd or whoever is silly. If that is true, then Cadel is probably bummed he won the race after Alberto? I don’t think so.

If you want to be credible, maybe you should try to make your actions mimic what you’re saying. In my opinion, in this case, maybe he should start skipping his every other month visit to Tenerife. Yes, he’s doing a two week training stint at high altitude in Tenerife before the Critérium du Dauphiné, which is a 5 week break from racing. These huge gaps in racing are as screwy as thinking he might get some benefit of sitting at altitude for 2 weeks. I think not.
 
Hugh Januss said:
Quick question. If you indeed were of this level, why do you seem so blissfully ignorant about just how much doping goes on?

Not blissfully ignorant at all.
If you read my posts, I am just the opposite.

However, there are riders I can categorically state have competed at the highest level, without doping. I know this, because I spent weeks at a time with them.

When I defend anyone, it comes from a point of view that riders CAN win without doping. It happened in the wild west of the 90's (GTs not included) so it can definately happen now.

Now whether riders ARE competing clean is another matter. If I dont have close contact with them, I would not commit myself either way, however, I will keep an open mind until irrefutable evidence shows otherwise.
 
Wiggins traveled to the Spanish island off the west coast of Africa twice this year, each time for two weeks. He just returned one week ago from his last trip. Yates accompanied Great Britain’s Tour hope on the first occasion this year, staying and training in a remote hotel at 2165 meters elevation. It’s the only hotel on Pico de Teide or the Peak of Teide, the highest point in Spain.

“You have altitude, which is supposed to lift your hemoglobin, but it’s more the fact that the hotel is superb, the food is superb, the terrain is the best, the amount of climbing you can do is phenomenal,” said Yates. “There’s no distractions. It’s eat, sleep, ride a bike.”

Wiggins placed fourth at the Tour with Garmin in 2009 and joined Sky over that winter. In 2010, he only managed 24th overall and started to think about what to change. He’d never trained at altitude before and after some research, decided on Tenerife. The results were amazing.

He won the time trial in Bayern Rundfhart and won the overall in the Critérium du Dauphiné in 2011. A crash and broken collarbone at the Tour meant that he had to abandon, but he came back and placed third in the Vuelta a España, took silver in the time trial at the world championships and helped Mark Cavendish to the road race win.

This year Wiggins has been even better, riding as a leader to overall wins at Paris-Nice and the Tour de Romandie.

His helpers – Chris Froome, Richie Porte, Michael Rogers, Kanstantsin Siutsou and Christian Knees – have traveled with him and benefited. Rogers won the Bayern Rundfhart overall a week ago, Porte won the Volta ao Algarve in February and Froome was second in the Vuelta last year.

“The training is harder than the racing,” Yates said. “When push comes to shove in a race, on the top of [Col de] Joux Plane, it’s going to be hard, but 99 percent of time the training is harder than the racing.”

Wiggins is not the only rider to benefit from altitude training. Several teams travel to Tenerife, while others train at Mount Etna and the Stelvio Pass in Italy. Alejandro Valverde and Movistar trained in Spain’s Sierra Nevada last month and this week, Garmin-Barracuda’s Christian Vande Velde is training in Colorado.

“I guess Lance [Armstrong] was the pioneer in training to race,” said Yates, who raced with Armstrong. “In a grand tour environment, you can train to be good. It’s not the same as the classics, where you have to be in the mix, you have to know the cobbles. In an event like this [Dauphiné] or a grand tour, if you’re going for GC, it’s all about being able to climb, being rested, being trained up and ready. That environment is perfect for that.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/wiggins-arrives-at-the-dauphine-from-outer-space_222231
 
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Good but..

Good to train because climate and routes are perfect but traffic is a problem for me.
5 times I was on vacation and I saw it very dangerous for cyclists.
 
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thehog said:
Tilford's blog from May in regards to Tenerife:

http://stevetilford.com/?p=19097

What does this have to do with Tenerife?

If you want to be credible, maybe you should try to make your actions mimic what you’re saying. In my opinion, in this case, maybe he should start skipping his every other month visit to Tenerife. Yes, he’s doing a two week training stint at high altitude in Tenerife before the Critérium du Dauphiné, which is a 5 week break from racing. These huge gaps in racing are as screwy as thinking he might get some benefit of sitting at altitude for 2 weeks. I think not.

Hes not questioning going to Tenerife, hes questioning the logic of going 5 weeks without racing in the run up to the Dauphine, based on the argument that race practice is better than training.
 
The Game boy should go read the whole article. It is YOU cherry picking your quotes. But lets spell it out for you..

In his explanation to why Kglinskiy didn’t start winning classics until he was 31 he said that Maxim had gone to altitude training camps here and there and he’s motivated again. A few high altitude training camps before April in Europe? .... But his latest streak of form — winning at Lìège only two days after he took the mountainous, four-day Giro del Trentino — came as a result of an intense period of altitude training on the massive Mount Teide on the Spanish island of Tenerife. One French sportswriter asked Vinokourov whether he went to Tenerife to be with the infamous Operación Puerto blood-doping doctor Eufemiano Fuentes (who lives there) or Italian trainer Michele Ferrari. It seems training in Tenerife has more to do with winning Liège-Bastogne-Liège than anything else?
Just type Tenerife into google, along with doping/cycling.
 
Cycle Chic said:
The Game boy should go read the whole article. It is YOU cherry picking your quotes. But lets spell it out for you..



"Just type Tenerife into google, along with doping/cycling. "

likewise, just type Alps into Google, along with Hitler.
It will become just as obvious why people really visit the Alps....:cool: ....join the dots....
 

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