Tenerife

[JimmyFingers]

Oohh, well it's so obvious, it must be true

 

[TheGame]

Tenerife - Nearest WADA labs, Madrid and Barcelona, 7 flights a day, 3 hour flight.

Florida, nearest WADA lab, LA or Canada, 7 flights a day, anything up to a 7 hour flight.

Read into that what you will.

 

[northstar]

According to this article, a health centre on Tenerife was a supplier for a recently busted doping ring. The drugs were imported via international criminal networks and sold mainly to body builders and fitness fanatics. 23 people charged.

http://www.expatica.com/es/news/spanish-news/spain-breaks-up-gymnasium-doping-ring_255671.html

I know this topic has been discussed to death but just want to point out Tenerife continues to be a location that is a hotbed for doping. Conversely, it is also a place with ideal training conditions.

 

[thehog]

Oohh, well it's so obvious, it must be true

What's obvious?

 

[Parker]

According to this article, a health centre on Tenerife was a supplier for a recently busted doping ring. The drugs were imported via international criminal networks and sold mainly to body builders and fitness fanatics. 23 people charged.

http://www.expatica.com/es/news/spanish-news/spain-breaks-up-gymnasium-doping-ring_255671.html

I know this topic has been discussed to death but just want to point out Tenerife continues to be a location that is a hotbed for doping.

The population of Tenerife is just under a million, the Canaries as a whole over 2 million. So more than Manchester, Miami and Marseilles combined. Finding a drug dealing gang in a population that size is hardly unusual.

 

[thehog]

Oohh, well it's so obvious, it must be true

Tenerife - Nearest WADA labs, Madrid and Barcelona, 7 flights a day, 3 hour flight.

Florida, nearest WADA lab, LA or Canada, 7 flights a day, anything up to a 7 hour flight.

Read into that what you will.

I'm not sure the testers live in the lab and travel from there. But they do have to transport the samples back in under 24 hours.

Everybody seems to be there these days. There's a remoteness to the place but the only doping correlation one can make is "jacking" the passport. Sneaky sneaky.

When at altitude a sample threshold is indexed higher.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

What's obvious?

Welcome back.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

RobboBasso V Cyborg Wiggins This May.

 

[Ferminal]

Tenerife - Nearest WADA labs, Madrid and Barcelona, 7 flights a day, 3 hour flight.

Florida, nearest WADA lab, LA or Canada, 7 flights a day, anything up to a 7 hour flight.

Read into that what you will.

Hawaii - LA?

Edit: I'm reading through the testing standards, can't seem to find anything about a maximum allowed transit time?

On a similar note, I wonder how many athletes get tested outside their 60min window?

 

[northstar]

The population of Tenerife is just under a million, the Canaries as a whole over 2 million. So more than Manchester, Miami and Marseilles combined. Finding a drug dealing gang in a population that size is hardly unusual.

Well, Miami doesn’t count because that is where A-Rod is from. No doubt there is a PED distribution ring just for him alone.

 

[blackcat]

Well, Miami doesn’t count because that is where A-Rod is from. No doubt there is a PED distribution ring just for him alone.

no, Andy Roddick moved to California a long time back to be with his sports illustrated swimsuit starlet.

other Rod never moved I spose with cameron, lost in translation, diaz

 

[DirtyWorks]

Tenerife - Nearest WADA labs, Madrid and Barcelona, 7 flights a day, 3 hour flight.

Florida, nearest WADA lab, LA or Canada, 7 flights a day, anything up to a 7 hour flight.

Read into that what you will.

That WADA has budget to burn flying people all over the world for sampling? Oh wait... They don't.

Another post missed Miami/Dade population by a mile. It's greater than 5 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_metropolitan_area#Population

 

[Ferminal]

WADA don't pay for any testing, it's the NADO's or sporting federations. In the case of the UCI, your point still stands.

 

[Parker]

Another post missed Miami/Dade population by a mile. It's greater than 5 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_metropolitan_area#Population

Miami city is 408K: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami

 

[RownhamHill]

Miami city is 408K: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami

Isn't that a bit like taking the population of the City of London and claiming that only 7,000 people live in London?

 

[TheGame]

Hawaii - LA?

Edit: I'm reading through the testing standards, can't seem to find anything about a maximum allowed transit time?

On a similar note, I wonder how many athletes get tested outside their 60min window?

For Hawaii technically the closest WADA lab is in Colombia but the importation of samples complicates it. There is also a lab in Salt Lake City, but from Hawaii the fastest option is probably Canada.

The point being, it is actually much harder to test and process samples through WADA accredited labs in the US (As there are only 2 labs, both on the West Coast), than it ever has been in Tenerife which has 2 labs close by.

If we use the logic for "its difficult for testers" that is applied to Tenerife on the US, I think its fair to say that most of the USA would fall under the "Suspicious" category.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

If we use the logic for "its difficult for testers" that is applied to Tenerife on the US, I think its fair to say that most of the USA would fall under the "Suspicious" category.

So, logistics do count...

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

If we use the logic for "its difficult for testers" that is applied to Tenerife on the US, I think its fair to say that most of the USA would fall under the "Suspicious" category.

You should fit in well here, labelling an entire country as suspicious.

 

[DirtyWorks]

You should fit in well here, labelling an entire country as suspicious.

Your clever attempt at marginalizing an opinion is not going to work.

Most of Florida is mild and relatively warm this time of year. Is the UCI going to pay someone to fly there for samples? No.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Your clever attempt at marginalizing an opinion is not going to work.

I wasn't passing any comment on the validity of the comment. I was simply highlighting that labelling an entire country as suspicious re doping would go down well with a lot of Clinic regulars. This is true, irrespective of whether said country is all suspicious, completely clean or somewhere in between, as people like to read posts that are consistent with the views they already hold.

 

[northstar]

Tenerife - Nearest WADA labs, Madrid and Barcelona, 7 flights a day, 3 hour flight.

Florida, nearest WADA lab, LA or Canada, 7 flights a day, anything up to a 7 hour flight.

Read into that what you will.

I think when establishing a travel time for a test sample from a test location to the WADA lab you have to factor in other variables besides flight times to obtain an accurate picture of the overall travel time. For example, what is the travel time from test location to airport and airport to lab, boarding time and security checks at the departing airport, customs checks at the arriving airport, reliability of the airline (i.e. delayed flight, lost baggage), etc.

A tester’s trip from Tenerife to Madrid (flight time 2 hr, 30 min) compared to a trip from Miami to Salt Lake City (flight time 4 hr 40 min) could take longer if you factor in the above considerations.

 

[del1962]

I think when establishing a travel time for a test sample from a test location to the WADA lab you have to factor in other variables besides flight times to obtain an accurate picture of the overall travel time. For example, what is the travel time from test location to airport and airport to lab, boarding time and security checks at the departing airport, customs checks at the arriving airport, reliability of the airline (i.e. delayed flight, lost baggage), etc.

A tester’s trip from Tenerife to Madrid (flight time 2 hr, 30 min) compared to a trip from Miami to Salt Lake City (flight time 4 hr 40 min) could take longer if you factor in the above considerations.

Would Tenerife to Madrid be considered an internal flight, if so then there should not be much differences between check in times, boarding controls, customs etc.

 

[autologous]

Roberto Saviano, an Italian journalist, wrote a book about the Camorra, one of the oldest and largest criminal organizations in Italy, a powerful and bloody branch of the Cosa Nostra. He now lives in fear of his life, with permanent police protection.

A great movie - Gomorrah - was made from his book. Well worth watching.

Saviano has this to say about the Camorra in Tenerife :

As to their interests in Spain in general and the Canary Islands in particular, Saviano is scathing about the authorities' apparent naiveté :

"Spain has a pretty myopic vision of what Italian crime is all about if you don't mind me saying so," he said. "On the one hand they consider Spain to be a victim of these gangs while on the other it appears they don't see - or don't want to see what is really happening here."

This ostrich-like attitude has Saviano seeing red.

In reality, he continued, the Camorra's activities have two fronts : drugs and property investment. They are sinking huge sums, he claims, in hotels and holiday complexes here in Tenerife.

From here, just a lazy google search, I've read it before elsewhere.


The drug distribution network that reaches into Tenerife is world class.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I wasn't passing any comment on the validity of the comment.

You are the one implying that another poster is suggesting a whole country is suspicious. Pretending it was an innocent comment won't work.

 

[TheGame]

Would Tenerife to Madrid be considered an internal flight, if so then there should not be much differences between check in times, boarding controls, customs etc.

Tenerife Airport in my experience are pretty relaxed on check in times, we got there 20 minutes before the boarding closed on our last visit, customs involved one x-ray scanner at check in and metal detecting barriers.

Im at not implying an entire country such as the US is suspicious, if however, a poster wishes to claim that one of the reasons Tenerife is suspicious because it is is "difficult" for testers to get there, then perhaps we should ask the same question of Florida, or parts of Georgia, the southern tip of Louisiana, or hell, even parts of Texas.