Tennis

[SundayRider]

Yeah cos making 50 semi finals in a row or whatever it was doesn't require great stamina.playing 5 setters jn the middle of gs's you win doesn't require stamina?

To say he doesn't win long drawn out battles from the baseline is so delusional, omg. Watch Federer vs Djokovic from the French 2011 (the 1 gs match djoker lost all year) where the average rally was like 25 shots. Watch the Federer vs Nadal 5 set finals. Not from the baseline? Are you kidding me.

I'm guessing you based your post off some highlights reel you saw of federers best spin shots and believe that those once every few sets shots are his entire game.

I'm not saying he didn't win those type of matches or never played them as that would be wrong but compared to Nadal/Murray/Djokovic his fitness/strength has never been a massive asset.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I could be naive but I believe that tennis does have problems but that it is much less widespread than sports like cycling, athletics, swimming etc. I think it is probably confined to the top echeleons of the sport for a couple of reasons. The lower ranked players probably don't earn enough to fund a decent program when you take off all of their other expenses. These guys are literally never in the same place for very long at all, different countries and tournaments every weeek near enough and the off season is so short. Are they really going to risk taking stuff through customs so often? Its not like cycling wherby most of the competitors train/race on the same continent the majority of the time.

**** Pound who, in my opinion, is as knowledgeable as it gets on sports generally has singled out tennis as having a particularly big problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...certain-that-tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

 

[thrawn]

I could be naive but I believe that tennis does have problems but that it is much less widespread than sports like cycling, athletics, swimming etc. I think it is probably confined to the top echeleons of the sport for a couple of reasons. The lower ranked players probably don't earn enough to fund a decent program when you take off all of their other expenses. These guys are literally never in the same place for very long at all, different countries and tournaments every weeek near enough and the off season is so short. Are they really going to risk taking stuff through customs so often? Its not like cycling wherby most of the competitors train/race on the same continent the majority of the time.

I actually think it is pretty wide spread among the top 100. In recent years there have been very few, if any teenagers in the top 100 which is an anomaly when looked at historically. I think this is because teenagers with massive talent can no longer compete on a physical level with the guys in their 20s due to the doping.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

With fans like these, tennis and doping are going to end up in bed...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-09/let-s-hope-drugs-prolong-rafael-nadal-s-great-career-.html

Urgh, that article made me sick, to talk about the "journalistic irresponsibility" of Le Monde and then go on to say they have claimed all Spanish athlete's dopes. Most is not all.

What was it Lance called Le Monde? The "gutter press" look how that turned out.

 

[SundayRider]

I actually think it is pretty wide spread among the top 100. In recent years there have been very few, if any teenagers in the top 100 which is an anomaly when looked at historically. I think this is because teenagers with massive talent can no longer compete on a physical level with the guys in their 20s due to the doping.

It definetly has a big problem its just that there are so few positives and scandals that it is very hard to guess how big the problem is.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I actually think it is pretty wide spread among the top 100. In recent years there have been very few, if any teenagers in the top 100 which is an anomaly when looked at historically. I think this is because teenagers with massive talent can no longer compete on a physical level with the guys in their 20s due to the doping.

Agree completely.
Its now a 4 hour endurance test. Recover and do it again.
Does anybody want to watch a tennis match for 4 - 5 hours? Perhaps if your favorite player is involved yes, but as a neutral fan?

 

[Benotti69]

I recall, about 10years ago an Italian tennis player saying you could not make top 100 players in the world without doping? Can't remember his name.

But the endurance required, recovery and power in the shots in a sport where testing is a joke means PEDs are a must for success.

 

[Bicycle]

Not sure what happened today. Nadal looked invincible against Federer but today the story is his body fell apart. All very strange.

 

[sniper]

Not sure what happened today. Nadal looked invincible against Federer but today the story is his body fell apart. All very strange.

nadal's medical timeout was interesting, wawrinka demanding an explanation/reason but not getting any.

anyway, what is wawrinka having for breakfast the last two/three seasons?

 

[the sceptic]

Gluten free diet probably. Looks like Wawrinka could become the new Djokovic.

 

[blackcat]

I could be naive but I believe that tennis does have problems but that it is much less widespread than sports like cycling, athletics, swimming etc. I think it is probably confined to the top echeleons of the sport for a couple of reasons. The lower ranked players probably don't earn enough to fund a decent program when you take off all of their other expenses. These guys are literally never in the same place for very long at all, different countries and tournaments every weeek near enough and the off season is so short. Are they really going to risk taking stuff through customs so often? Its not like cycling wherby most of the competitors train/race on the same continent the majority of the time.

devilz advocate

an Australian who only made it recently into the top 200, after playing out the better part of the decade in the top 500, owns the WR for fastest serve at about 260km. Sam Groth. Now tell me that was clean

 

[blackcat]

Urgh, that article made me sick, to talk about the "journalistic irresponsibility" of Le Monde and then go on to say they have claimed all Spanish athlete's dopes. Most is not all.

What was it Lance called Le Monde? The "gutter press" look how that turned out.

the french and gasquet and hingis just tongue kiss or french kiss and swap cocaine salivas dont u know

 

[thrawn]

devilz advocate

an Australian who only made it recently into the top 200, after playing out the better part of the decade in the top 500, owns the WR for fastest serve at about 260km. Sam Groth. Now tell me that was clean

Didn't he spend 2-3 years as his ex-wife's (Gadjasova) coach? Dude's a first rate ****** at any rate.

 

[blackcat]

Didn't he spend 2-3 years as his ex-wife's (Gadjasova) coach? Dude's a first rate ****** at any rate.

yeah. they were at the AIS together circa 2001/2

I do not know his backstory re: a total w@nker tho. I never heard that. But it goes with the territory with tennis eh

 

[blackcat]

oh and Thrawn, Gaiidjasova went to work with the Wesley pedo Gavin Hopper in Turkey where he set up coaching. I s'pose no country wished to offer him a visa to ply his trade and coach apart from Turkey.

 

[blackcat]

Gluten free diet probably. Looks like Wawrinka could become the new Djokovic.

or on Garmin.

that was JV's go-to.

did not he patent that spin?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Another defeat for Murray today against a relative nobody. Since his Wimbledon win he hasn't had a single decent result. Seems likely that he doesn't want to risk his legacy as Britain's first Wimbledon champion in decades and has decided to stop doping. Of course, he is able to explain his sudden drop in form by inventing an injury.

 

[SundayRider]

Another defeat for Murray today against a relative nobody. Since his Wimbledon win he hasn't had a single decent result. Seems likely that he doesn't want to risk his legacy as Britain's first Wimbledon champion in decades and has decided to stop doping. Of course, he is able to explain his sudden drop in form by inventing an injury.

Or he is just lacking motivation and/or form? Not everything is to do with doping especially in sports where there are many other factors.

 

[the asian]

Another defeat for Murray today against a relative nobody. Since his Wimbledon win he hasn't had a single decent result. Seems likely that he doesn't want to risk his legacy as Britain's first Wimbledon champion in decades and has decided to stop doping. Of course, he is able to explain his sudden drop in form by inventing an injury.

Good. I never liked Roid Murray. Now hopefully EPO Nadal follows suit.

 

[the sceptic]

tbh Dimitrov isnt a nobody and its not a huge shock that Murray would lose against him. Maybe Murray is planning to "peak" for wimbledon again like he did last year.

 

[Andynonomous]

Dmitrov has shown some talent (MUCH more than Murray, who like so many dopers, is just a human backboard that can retrieve all day). On the other hand, the explanation for any losses that are more than 2 months to the next "slam" is probably due to cycling down. The next slam is in late May (Roland Garros).

Nadal won his first tournament back after his back "injury" (Rio Open). It was a low level tournament, on his favorite surface(clay) against MUCH lower ranked players. He still struggled. On the other hand, at the US Open in 2010, and 2013, on his least favorite surface(fast hardcourt), against top level competition, he breezed through the whole tournaments without losing more than a set or two total for the two weeks. There was one year at Wimbledon that Nadal had his third highest serve speed of his seven matches in the quarter final, his second highest serve speed in the semi, and his highest serve speed in the final (can anyone say "testosterone patch").

Being able to peak for the biggest tournaments, over and over like this is an obvious sign of doping (Armstrong and the TDF ?). Both Murray and Nadal will be playing much better this summer. Nadal will win Roland Garros, and Murray has a shot at Wimbledon, and the USO. The win by Wawrinka in Australia was a one-time fluke.

 

[SundayRider]

Dmitrov has shown some talent (MUCH more than Murray, who like so many dopers, is just a human backboard that can retrieve all day). On the other hand, the explanation for any losses that are more than 2 months to the next "slam" is probably due to cycling down. The next slam is in late May (Roland Garros).

Nadal won his first tournament back after his back "injury" (Rio Open). It was a low level tournament, on his favorite surface(clay) against MUCH lower ranked players. He still struggled. On the other hand, at the US Open in 2010, and 2013, on his least favorite surface(fast hardcourt), against top level competition, he breezed through the whole tournaments without losing more than a set or two total for the two weeks. There was one year at Wimbledon that Nadal had his third highest serve speed of his seven matches in the quarter final, his second highest serve speed in the semi, and his highest serve speed in the final (can anyone say "testosterone patch").

Being able to peak for the biggest tournaments, over and over like this is an obvious sign of doping (Armstrong and the TDF ?). Both Murray and Nadal will be playing much better this summer. Nadal will win Roland Garros, and Murray has a shot at Wimbledon, and the USO. The win by Wawrinka in Australia was a one-time fluke.

Nadal's run at RG has to come to an end sometime.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

tbh Dimitrov isnt a nobody and its not a huge shock that Murray would lose against him. Maybe Murray is planning to "peak" for wimbledon again like he did last year.

I agree with this, his statements have changed and he might be more conservative but having tasted success I doubt he will fall away for not doping enough.

@andynonmous, I have to disagree about Murray not showing early talent. I remember watching him at Queens against Johansson, he couldn't last a three set match without literally collapsing but he had a 140 MPH serve, slice on either wing which has become a feature of the modern game and interesting angles on his top spin.

That said, I think he's a stinking doper.

 

[del1962]

Definately disagree on the Murray not having talent early on, not that this prooves or disprooves doping, in 2005 when he first broke through as a teenager it was obvious he had talent, I remember discussions about him being a better prospect in British Tennis than Henman at the time

 

[The Hitch]

Another defeat for Murray today against a relative nobody. Since his Wimbledon win he hasn't had a single decent result. Seems likely that he doesn't want to risk his legacy as Britain's first Wimbledon champion in decades and has decided to stop doping. Of course, he is able to explain his sudden drop in form by inventing an injury.

Risk? In tennis?

Even if he tested positive the itf would cover it up and there's no tests to test positive to in the first place. Puerto showed major Spanish players were on full doping regimes in the mid 2000's, almost a decade has gone past and not one has fallen. The dominance of Spanish tennis continued, Nadal has made a mockery of WADA on his own.

Its tennis. The big names in tennis do what they want.