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Bicycle

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Gavandope said:
His knees on hard courts are the main problem for him - will be king of clay for a few more years yet.
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the knees are a smokescreen - Nadal has won loads of hardcourt events - often back to back
 
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the knees are a smokescreen - Nadal has won loads of hardcourt events - often back to back
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In the past yes but he's had the big PRP knee op for tendonitis early last year. They don't magically return to 100% especially for the kind of game he plays. He had a good run coming back, got to number one. but now it's stuttering on and off and I'm not surprised cos he can't be the fit mostly year round player that he used to.
 
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Andynonomous said:
Tennis catches a junior tennis player with "ecstasy" in his system during a tournament (ecstasy isn't prohibited outside of tournaments).

Another unheard of tennis player gets busted for a non-performance enhancing drug.

When are they going to start catching the top players for performance-enhancing drugs ?

Tennis's testing regime is strictly for show.
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2 year ban for some recreational fun, not even in the slightest to do with performance enhancing? Ridiculious. Why not put him in jail? System handels business as 40 years ago. Bananaheads.

I mean classic amphetamine was used as a PED , although not very effective - it provides some sort of performance enhancing, euphoria but clearheaded and sharp in your mind.
But everyone especially physicians should know better - never ever a cyclist in the history of sport will step on a bike during an MDMA rave. Would be the last thing you want to do :D It's so sad it's almost funny...if a whole carreer wasn't at risk.
 
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Gavandope said:
In the past yes but he's had the big PRP knee op for tendonitis early last year. They don't magically return to 100% especially for the kind of game he plays. He had a good run coming back, got to number one. but now it's stuttering on and off and I'm not surprised cos he can't be the fit mostly year round player that he used to.
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Yeah big knee op then comes back better than ever almost straight away. I buy it.
 
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What knee op? His long absence after losing early at Wimbledon 2012 remains a mystery - with bad knees the only excuse - there was no surgery. Then he comes back - loses the final of his first small clay event (for appearances sake) then goes unbeaten for months. The BBC even ran a piece, apparently without irony, "Have Nadal's knee problems made him a better player?". You couldn't make this up - the guy is hiding in plain sight.
 
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Not only is the testing really a joke in tennis, I am sure that tennis is one of those games where a doped up player would really ruin the game. I am sure that players are a bit more lenient. Even if Federer were caught with a needle in his **** I doubt you’d hear about it.
 
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Gavandope said:
In the past yes but he's had the big PRP knee op for tendonitis early last year. They don't magically return to 100% especially for the kind of game he plays. He had a good run coming back, got to number one. but now it's stuttering on and off and I'm not surprised cos he can't be the fit mostly year round player that he used to.
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He didn't need an op but had PRP treatments for either tendonitis or a torn patella tendon. That's the story anyway.

He's never been more dominant on hard courts than last year. He dominated them like clay courts and then his form dipped for the rest of the year after the USO.
 
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Learn from Tennis

Now 28, Troicki is currently ranked No. 847 in the world. He faces a long slog through the backwaters of the game, playing the kind of events he thought he left behind a decade earlier.

There will be few wildcards to ease the journey back. Instead of heading to North America for the upcoming hard-court swing culminating in the U.S. Open, Troicki will spend his summer competing in a series of Challenger tournaments, amongst the journeymen and the hungry young upstarts, all keen to take the scalp of a player once ranked 12th in the world......

The ITF tried to destroy my career and I will never forget what happened. In the court they really went after me and they really wanted to put me down and ruin me completely. But I hope to show them they were unable to do that. I will be back.”
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http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/07/back-exile-viktor-troicki-returns-tennis/52185/#.U-Hs9vkwf0t

Good on the ITF...This is a great penalty in tennis. Cycling could introduce a similar sort of penalty.....send the rider back to national level only.
 
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SeriousSam said:
I don't understand why Troicki dopes when his compatriot is vastly better at every thing that matters in tennis, especially fitness, with just a gluten free diet. ;)
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He doesn't dope. He just refused a drug test!
 
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thrawn said:
It's not a penalty but more the way the ranking system works. Event organisers could give him a wildcard but they probably don't want to be seen as doping sympathisers.
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but with pro cycling for example..or athletics come to that...the ban is served and the cyclist goes straight back onto a pro team and world tour...

This is probably why tennis players cite an injury and then retire, because the thought of what Troicki is having to do - start at the bottom again, doesnt seem worth it to them.

With pro cycling why not make them have to work their way back up...example - earn no uci points for a year.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
but with pro cycling for example..or athletics come to that...the ban is served and the cyclist goes straight back onto a pro team and world tour...

This is probably why tennis players cite an injury and then retire, because the thought of what Troicki is having to do - start at the bottom again, doesnt seem worth it to them.

With pro cycling why not make them have to work their way back up...example - earn no uci points for a year.
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Tennis's ranking is calculated by how far you go in the tournaments in the last 12 months. IF you haven't played in the last 12 months, you earn 0 ranking points. Troiki was banned for 12 months, so his points fell to 0. Which tournaments you get invited to is determined by your ranking (unless you get a wildcard). That's why he had to start from scratch.

There is an exception to that rule. If the player is out due to injury, they carry a "protected ranking".
 
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thrawn said:
He doesn't dope. He just refused a drug test!
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Probably because he was "glowing".;)


The same as when Serena refused a test when she ran to her panic room (Troiki isn't as big a "hero" as Serena, or Nadal so he isn't "protected").
 
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Troicki

Net Talk: Wild rage about Troicki
Victor Troicki returned to tennis with a bang on Monday but the fact he was even able to do so sits rather uncomfortably with me.
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Good article about Troicki's return - straight back into a top tornament with a wildcard.

But rather than playing in front of one man and a dog like other players ranked outside the world's top 800, the Serb was instead featuring on the main ATP World Tour in the picturesque Swiss Alpine setting.
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the explanation from the tournament director..

"Viktor Troicki is a marquee player for the tournament as a former number 12 of the world and a Davis Cup winner."
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http://www.sportinglife.com/tennis/news/article/553/9390273/net-talk-wild-rage-about-troicki
 
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Cycle Chic said:
With pro cycling why not make them have to work their way back up...example - earn no uci points for a year.
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because you are concerned about a meta element. UCI points.

Cycling and teams and the pro sphere, care about one thing. Wins. Classics. Grand Tours. Grand Tour stages.

It matters a lick for them, if they get no UCI points. As long as they can get entry into the classics, and the Tour, they give not a $hit.

And for the respective Italian and Spanish teams, they give a $hit about their national Tours.
 
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blackcat said:
because you are concerned about a meta element. UCI points.

Cycling and teams and the pro sphere, care about one thing. Wins. Classics. Grand Tours. Grand Tour stages.

It matters a lick for them, if they get no UCI points. As long as they can get entry into the classics, and the Tour, they give not a $hit.

And for the respective Italian and Spanish teams, they give a $hit about their national Tours.
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I,m saying that the rider who has a drug ban is relegated in some way. Like the tennis payers the rider is somehow relegated and must earn his way back to the pro-tour.

Tennis seems to have this right - A year off the tour and they must start again earning their points - when injured they do the same. Cycling they just return as if nothing happened.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
I,m saying that the rider who has a drug ban is relegated in some way. Like the tennis payers the rider is somehow relegated and must earn his way back to the pro-tour.

Tennis seems to have this right - A year off the tour and they must start again earning their points - when injured they do the same. Cycling they just return as if nothing happened.
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You are making the mistake of viewing cycling as an individual sport. It isn't.
 
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Bernie's eyesore

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thrawn said:
Good to see Cilic return from suspension to have his best year of grand slam results.
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Just like Justin Gatlin in athletics, he is showing the kids how it can be done clean. Great role model.
 
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