Tennis

[thrawn]

lolll

I wonder how many times they will mention Cilic doping ban in tomorrows match. Well not really, the answer is probably 0.

He's just a clean boy. Can't help that mummy bought the wrong pills!

 

[sniper]

Just like Justin Gatlin in athletics, he is showing the kids how it can be done clean. Great role model.

He's just a clean boy. Can't help that mummy bought the wrong pills!

wasn't the BP introduced in tennis recently?
probably they all stopped doping immediately afterwards so a guy like Cilic can now compete clean.
doesn't have to make that choice anymore.

 

[sniper]

btw, has anybody seen Shuai Peng getting cramps?
at least that's the story, but it didn't look like cramps to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXQzq-CGWA
she'd be stretching her legs if it were cramps.
also, she suffered severe breathing problems at the same time as getting these cramps. she eventually was driven off in a wheelchair.
story with clear fotos here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...line-Wozniacki-goes-second-US-Open-final.html

 

[Walkman]

What are peoples view on Federer?

Is he to be considered clean?

 

[sniper]

What are peoples view on Federer?

Is he to be considered clean?

he's been discussed extensively.
to summarize:
blooddoper, but still greatest player ever.

 

[Cycle Chic]

btw, has anybody seen Shuai Peng getting cramps?
at least that's the story, but it didn't look like cramps to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXQzq-CGWA
she'd be stretching her legs if it were cramps.
also, she suffered severe breathing problems at the same time as getting these cramps. she eventually was driven off in a wheelchair.
story with clear fotos here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...line-Wozniacki-goes-second-US-Open-final.html

So what else would it be ?? looked like cramps to me..or heatstroke..Wozza said she had been ill also

Either way - Serena can run now and swing properly..so she,ll dominate for years to come.

 

[sniper]

So what else would it be ??

dunno,
wrong pills?
blood stored at the wrong temperature?
could be anything really

 

[avanti]

Most tennis players would have quit but in certain cultures it is frowned on to give in and not fight to the end. I suspect this event was a combination of cramps and heatstroke. At my velodrome I have a hard time riding once the air temperature gets above 90 degrees F (the reflected heat makes it seem like an oven).

 

[burning]

I wonder what Federer is thinking right now, Cilic is simply destroying him

 

[the delgados]

I wonder what Federer is thinking right now, Cilic is simply destroying him

Motorized racquet, no doubt.

 

[thrawn]

So what else would it be ?? looked like cramps to me..or heatstroke..Wozza said she had been ill also

Either way - Serena can run now and swing properly..so she,ll dominate for years to come.

I think heat issues. She apparently had them at the Australian Open this year too. Not sure she was cramping, but heat can do weird thing's to people's brains.

 

[thrawn]

And I seriously hope Nishikori smashes Cilic in the final.

 

[movingtarget]

I wonder what Federer is thinking right now, Cilic is simply destroying him

Federer has been a great player but will never win another grand slam. Cilic has been destroying many good players.

 

[BullsFan22]

And I seriously hope Nishikori smashes Cilic in the final.

Why is that?

 

[frenchfry]

Why is that?

I am assuming probable doper vs proven doper syndrome, which I also have a tendancy for.

 

[The Hitch]

For me ill take the proven doper. To show sports especially ultra hypocritical ones like tennis, what a joke they are.

 

[sniper]

And I seriously hope Nishikori smashes Cilic in the final.

why? nishikori clean? you don't get to this stage of a slam cleans.

For me ill take the proven doper. To show sports especially ultra hypocritical ones like tennis, what a joke they are.

this indeed.

 

[Walkman]

why? nishikori clean? you don't get to this stage of a slam cleans.

I don't really follow tennis, but I watch it occasionally and I have to ask, are there really no clean players in the top?

I get that you need to recover well, both in games between sets and also between matches in tournaments but it's not like many of them have physiques that are unattainable. Do you really need to dope that much in order to succeed in tennis (all technical aspects aside)?

I mean, Federer isn't exactly packed with muscles and how good of a VO2 Max can these guys have? 65? 70? 75? As a non-endurance athlete, a VO2 Max of, say 70, is well in reach for a clean athlete. So in what aspects are doping so important?

 

[sniper]

I don't really follow tennis, but I watch it occasionally and I have to ask, are there really no clean players in the top?

I get that you need to recover well, both in games between sets and also between matches in tournaments but it's not like many of them have physiques that are unattainable. Do you really need to dope that much in order to succeed in tennis (all technical aspects aside)?

I mean, Federer isn't exactly packed with muscles and how good of a VO2 Max can these guys have? 65? 70? 75? As a non-endurance athlete, a VO2 Max of, say 70, is well in reach for a clean athlete. So in what aspects are doping so important?

brief answer: yes, you have to dope to be competitive.
allows you to (a) train more and improve in all aspects of the game including technique, footwork and speed, (b) recover more quickly in between matches and (c) increase muscle strength and thus power (important for both serve and groundstrokes).
you could also argue that doping helps in the mental domain as well, just look at e.g. Nadal being so pumped up it works intimidating.

 

[SeriousSam]

PEDs make you stronger, faster, less injury prone, allow you to train longer and harder and recover quicker.

They are therefore very, very beneficial to a tennis player, even if they can't transform a talentless donkey that can't hit the ball cleanly into a grand slam winning race horse.

I get that you need to recover well, both in games between sets and also between matches in tournaments but it's not like many of them have physiques that are unattainable.

.....

Unattainable physiques are extremely strong evidence of doping but attainable physiques are extremely weak evidence of being clean.

 

[blackcat]

PEDs make you stronger, faster, less injury prone, allow you to train longer and harder and recover quicker.

make you more injury prone actually. body now going at 110%, but the white tissue and structure of the human, genetically can only hold the 100% force.

the extra uber-human force, that 10% extra, causes the white tissue to go "ping"

 

[robow7]

I don't feel all or even most ATP players use that much stuff. Let's face it, if you're getting knocked out the first or second round of each tourney and 90% of your matches are only best of 3 sets, that they can do that in their sleep because they're probably practicing 4-6 hours a day anyway (Though not continuous). When you get to the top 25 and you're making it to the quarters each week before losing and moving on, you have fewer days to recoup, then endurance becomes more of an issue. Of course you have Djoker and Nadal who can put together a 6 hour brutally physical match after having been thru another whacko performance only a day earlier that suggests that their hematocrits might be elevated. Both Steroids to reduce inflamation and increase strength, yea, now we're talking more than a few are using those...... btw, did you see Murray's transformation from a lean early 20's to one helluva physique at this open. On the other hand, Brits never dope, therefore Scots not likely either.

 

[blackcat]

brief answer: yes, you have to dope to be competitive.
allows you to (a) train more and improve in all aspects of the game including technique, footwork and speed, (b) recover more quickly in between matches and (c) increase muscle strength and thus power (important for both serve and groundstrokes).
you could also argue that doping helps in the mental domain as well, just look at e.g. Nadal being so pumped up it works intimidating.

plus, arguably, the most important aspect of top100 ATP tennis, is defense. All can win on any given day, but the top 4 over the past half dozen years, Fed, Nadal, Murry, Djoker, are all the best 4 defenders.

And NO, I have not reverse engineered this like Michael Porter's cluster.

You have to be the best defender, to win and make it to the top in this sport. Simple. Anyone can win on any given day, but to win consistently in the slams, you need to be the best defender.

And guys like Gael Monfils, who may well be the most athletic in the sport, dont have the physical technique for sound defense, and their tendons and ligaments go "ping".

Now Richard Gasquet may have the most aesthetically attractive backhand, but it is $hit for defense with that lasso technique, even if in an offensive position, it still disadvantages him to move into a defensive position if an opponent can put him on the defense when said opponent returns his offensive backhand to switch the rally from the return, to taking the upperhand.

 

[blackcat]

I don't feel all or even most ATP players use that much stuff. Let's face it, if you're getting knocked out the first or second round of each tourney and 90% of your matches are only best of 3 sets, that they can do that in their sleep because they're probably practicing 4-6 hours a day anyway (Though not continuous). When you get to the top 25 and you're making it to the quarters each week before losing and moving on, you have fewer days to recoup, then endurance becomes more of an issue. Of course you have Djoker and Nadal who can put together a 6 hour brutally physical match after having been thru another whacko performance only a day earlier that suggests that their hematocrits might be elevated. Both Steroids to reduce inflamation and increase strength, yea, now we're talking more than a few are using those...... btw, did you see Murray's transformation from a lean early 20's to one helluva physique at this open. On the other hand, Brits never dope, therefore Scots not likely either.

market equilibrium theory


if you are an A Type personality, and you are ranked 100, and you know that Nadal is fuelled by roids, and likely everyone in the top 10 are too, then you jump on the train to keep standing still.

The Red Queen Effect

aka, the blackcat Treadmill Doping Phenomenon

 

[thrawn]

I am assuming probable doper vs proven doper syndrome, which I also have a tendancy for.

Partly this. Partly the lame excuse used for his positive. Partly for the amount of complaining about he was hard done by for getting suspended since he returned. Guy is a ******.