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Garry Allen said:

I hope that when Tennis does have its big doping scandal that this article is cached, saved, reprinted and posted back to Baum.

I suspect that the calls by Murray etc are about one of two things - either better PR - they've seen how the biopassport is a sham that can be avoided but is good PR. Or they do want testing because they feel that the likes of Nadal etc are taking the ****.

Something to remember - didn't Armstrong snitch on (Mayo?) in for doping to the UCI?
 
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There's such an obnoxious self-congratulatory attitude amongst all the top tennis players that they are amongst a holier than thou cleaner than clean sport, when it clearly isn't.

At least in football/soccer which in my opinion is a cleaner sport there is dissent from past players and coaches.
 
Oct 16, 2010
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Djokovic recovered excellently from that 5-set marathon match against Wawrinka. Berdych hadn't lost a set until today, yet he didn't stand a chance against Djoker, especially in the longer baseline rallies.
:rolleyes:
 
Mar 4, 2010
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A 2007 article about Dinara Safina.

En 2006 no llegaron más títulos individuales, aunque progresó hasta los cuartos de final en Roland Garros y el US Open. Pero al final de la temporada, cuando entró en el top-10, cayó exahusta. Dinara había consentido que Maeso dejara de cuidar de su físico y su metabolismo protestó fundiendo los plomos. Safina estaba apagada. Se había quedado sin energía. Pero su estado superó la anécdota. En Luxemburgo, en septiembre, le comentaba sus problemas a Miguel Maeso mientras paseaban por un bosque. El preparador físico la detuvo un instante y le tomó el pulso. Sorpresa descomunal: 105 pulsaciones por minuto.

Maeso se la llevó a la consulta de Luis García del Moral, quien la sometió a una prueba de esfuerzo que detectó un problema de fatiga. Había revolucionado en exceso su motor. Maeso y Del Moral urdieron un programa de recuperación que culminó ayer en la otra punta del mundo, en Australia, donde ha demostrado que vuelve a ser un portento físico al conquistar los títulos de individual y dobles. “Incluso mi entrenador me ha preguntado qué había desayunado”

http://www.lasprovincias.es/prensa/20070107/deportes/otra-perla-sello-valencia_20070107.html

After USADA's reasoned decision.

Russian website Sport Express last month quoted Safina as saying del Moral "has the only real clinic in Valencia where athletes can undergo tests before the beginning of the season and at the end. And we underwent the tests in this clinic. We ran on the treadmill, they took blood samples from our ears, and so on... Del Moral gave us no advice whatsoever and did not handle our cases."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/tennis-players-shun-spanish-doctor
 
Mar 4, 2010
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June 2012: Dr. del Moral reported as a member of Sara Errani's team. (Google translation)

June 2012: Dr. del Moral's Valencia clinic makes a blog post congratulating Errani for making the Roland Garros final. (Google translation) [Sara es una habitual de estos lares con un equipo técnico genuinamente valenciano.]

June 2012: Errani's brother (and manager), Davide, denies that Dr. del Moral is Sara's doctor, stating that she saw Dr. del Moral once for a cardiac exam because her regular doctor was unavailable. (Google translation) This story was also reported by the Wall Street Journal.

August 2012: ITF press release recognizing USADA ban states "Dr Garcia del Moral practices sports medicine in Valencia, Spain, and in that capacity has worked in the past with various tennis players."

September 2012: At the US Open, Sara Errani states ["I speak with the ITF and they didn't tell me that I cannot go anymore to him. They told me that I can go if I want, but of course I'm not interested in to keep working with one person that is involved in these things. Of course maybe I will not work anymore with him."] "He was the best doctor in Valencia for everything, so I have been working with him of course." ["But now his name is not good name, so I don't want to sporcare (dirty) my name for his name. So I think I will not working anymore with him."]

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.se/2012/10/dr-luis-garcia-del-moral-and-tennis.html
 
Mar 13, 2009
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SundayRider said:
Saying that having the jawline of male models indicates doping is such a ridiculous statement to make.
hehehhee,

just like Jonny Vaughters said doping make your forehead grow,

hgh doping
 
Oct 11, 2010
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unclem0nty said:
I get the sense that post-Armstrong, sports journalists are getting progressively bolder in voicing their suspicions (or at least dropping ever more heavy-handed connective hints). A lot of uncomfortable moments for Djokovic in his press conference this morning (having just seen off Tomas Berdych with something approaching ease, on the back of his five-hour marathon vs Wawrynka).



Got to love the follow-up to that ropey old boll0cks:



http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2013-01-22/11395.php

Those are good questions. I hope the press keep poking him like that, I wanna see him crack and lose his temper.
 
Altitude said:
Those are good questions. I hope the press keep poking him like that, I wanna see him crack and lose his temper.

Q. Do you know what other people do?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: No. I know some. But most of the top players are keeping it private, and I think that’s the way it should be.


Here's where Wonderboy can help! The proper answer is "I'm on the court 6 hours a day, what are you on?"

Beetroot juice. Marginal gains. Tennis has a doping problem.

Wow.
 
Oct 22, 2009
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The tide does seem to be turning. Here's the Guardian's take on Djokovic's uncomfortable press conference:
Djokovic is a secretive type, however, and rarely allows anyone a glimpse of his routine... ... "I have to keep that private," he said, when asked how he recovered so well. And did he know what other players did to get back in working order during a tournament? "I know some. But most of the top players are keeping it private, and I think that's the way it should be." He has his reasons, perhaps. Djokovic was not always such a titan. Indeed, he had a reputation for folding like a leaf in the wind.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/22/australian-open-2013-djokovic-berdych

Elsewhere the same paper's tennis correspondent says:

rumours swirl here, post Armstrong-Winfrey, about who in the hitherto almost clean-as-a-whistle world of tennis might be dabbling in performance-enhancing drugs
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2013/jan/22/australian-open-biological-passports-drugs

(Not sure where he's getting his take on the "hitherto", mind you.)
 
PED's and EGO

Is it the PED's ??

that create the monster ??

Like Lance, Sky and Wiggins and for example now Djokovic....they dont know when to quit...they cant see whats staring everyone else in the face....that performances are 'out of this world'.

Are they so cocooned in their bubble that they arent advised to 'lower the bar a bit' .

Is it Greed ? or do they know they are TEFLON ?? from their authorities.

Maybe with Djokovic his camp are unaware that there are rumblings in the world media....and his camp being serb cannot follow this.

thoughts ?
 
All well and good of the Guardian but they were very quick to strip out my online comments when a couple of fanboys complained.

It was some spectacle yesterday seeing the press all over Djokovic. I hope it unsettles him and causes him to think a bit more before he opens his gob. He previously said the testing in tennis was good enough and saw no need for the blood passport.
 
Oct 22, 2009
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The Guardian (like all UK papers) is embarrassing in its proud & confident assertions of Murray's noble purity (see also Wiggins, Mo Farah etc).

Nonethless there does seem to be a major shift in press attitudes, and as the Guardian's tennis bloke says that's down to the Armstrong/Oprah fallout.

With the rare well-known exemptions, sports journalism made a shameful tit of itself with its complicit, craven, yes-man stance on Armstrong over the years. I think there's now some sort of determination not to get browbeaten, bribed or hoodwinked again, and to raise red flags after blatantly "not normal" sporting performances.

The lesson of Armstrong, as finally and wearily confirmed on Oprah, is that there's no dope-smoke without fire. This new media scepticism is a reflection of general public distrust: no one is now above suspicion (er, unless they're British).
 
May 3, 2010
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The Guardian is very very hypocritical. For years they were on the Armstrong bandwagon - lets not forget the McRae-Armstrong interview that resulted in the Guardian having to pay damages to Betsy Andreau.

Mention doping in the comments section and you'll find your comments removed pretty sharpish.
 
Had another comment removed today. Plus an email from them to say a Guardian moderator had judged them legally risky, whatever that means.

I made no allegation against Djokovic or any player in fact beyond saying certain players like Rochus and Noah were sceptical generally about tennis and suggesting the ITF get on and introduce the blood passport and proper O-O-C testing.

You could say the national press were stifling the debate because certainly within tennis a debate over doping is on and won't stop until the ITF pulls its finger out. They say they are in negotiation with the ATP/WTA presently over agreeing the new anti-doping budget but why aren't the grand slam tournaments coughing up? They make the ATP look like paupers.

There's an anomalous situation in tennis as there appears to be no overall strong regulatory body in charge.
 
Jan 20, 2013
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In modern sport there exist a kind of myth that believes, within sports doping, still opperates a kind of fairness at the highest levels. In cycling in particular and some other sports this is not the case. It's more likely to be how much money or big business, or in the case of the Olympics political backing you have. The TDF has lost all of it's excitment re who will win or not win. In short it's boring (sorry fans but a fact) and when it come to 2012's one was.
Not sure about tennis - still quite interesting to watch, although it has changed beyond all recognition, does still require skills, balls (no pun intended) artistry and guile to win and more importantly to watch as credible. As well as all the other super human stuff!
 
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2013-01-25/201301251359099161064.html

Q. The intersection of this event with the Lance Armstrong interview last week has produced a lot of discussion about tennis needing to step up anti doping efforts. Do you welcome that discussion, and what was your reaction to Armstrong's admission?
ANDRE AGASSI: Well, my reaction to it is the same as everybody. It was shock, hard to stomach, sadness, disappointment. I think 'anger' is a fair word. I was certainly one of those that flat out believed him that long period of time. The thought of it not being the case was unconscionable to me.
My next reaction went to Live Strong and all the people it helps, people fighting for their lives, survivors of real battles, and I hope for its survival through this. I hope Live Strong can survive this.
As far as tennis goes, I can speak comprehensively to the rules and regulations, but not to how they've changed since I left the game. It's a sport where I wouldn't know how to get away with that level of cheating. It's a year round sport.
It's an out of body governance, a third party governance. When last I played, it was comprehensive in the sense of nearly every tournament, nearly week to week, blood, urine, out of competition testing. I don't know how it's changed, but if it's stayed the same at least that's a good thing.
Anything that can protect the integrity of the sport, and those that aren't cheating should absolutely be considered.
I mean, what is the downside? You start looking at the inconvenience of players. Maybe that turns into an issue at some point, I would imagine.
But unfortunately, you know, we're at a day and age where the more transparency you have in all of it the better off it all is and the better off these athletes are.
It's sad to watch people who may question things for those that worked pretty darn hard, you know. But, yeah, I think that tennis has always sort of led the way. I really believe that.
You know, for their own reasons I might have played a part in it, for them going to WADA and the governance that has no horse in the race. That, to me, is a great thing.
For me, it would have kept me from destroying a few years of my life. That's what I did to myself with the use of the recreational, destructive substance of crystal meth. It would have saved me on a lot of fronts.
The more the better as far as I'm concerned. The stricter, the better; the more transparency the better; the more accountability the better. Describing a problem is a heck of a lot easier than solving it, is one thing I've learned.
Let's always have the discussion of making it more comprehensive.

Q. Going back to the last point about the anti doping. Kind of the in word seems to be 'recovery.' There's almost more conversation about how players get themselves back into shape. What do you think when you see the quality and the levels of the play at the moment?
ANDRE AGASSI: From a physical standpoint?



Q. Yes. This amazing ability players seem to have to come back quickly and play at more improved levels than they played in the previous match for five or six hours.
ANDRE AGASSI: I marvel at it, first of all. You know, when I played, my whole game was based on playing with that sense of urgency and to force guys to be ballistic out there, to treat a marathon like a sprint.
I benefited from raising the stakes for that. I had more or less four hours in me before I knew I was running on borrowed time physically. That's four hours of me running other people, you know.
So to watch them do it, they're more calculated now, they play slower, so six hours is not the same six hours that I played. But they're also much better athletes. They also appear to be lower body a lot stronger than I was; upper body probably not as much. But my game was never about using my legs as much as it was, you know, bullying the ball around the court.
So, yes, I believe it's achievable. I think they've gotten very aware at an early age how important it is to be prepared, and I think there's a lot you can gain from training right and training smartly.
So, yeah, I don't watch it and wonder in light of the Lance situation, but I also have the luxury of knowing that there's no time to the negotiation of what one would have to go through to figure a way around or to figure a shortcut seems implausible.
 
Mar 4, 2010
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Commentators raving about Murray's superior physical strength. My feeling is that he's not a natural athlete. He used to be a stick figure with poor fitness. I don't think he's all that gifted.
 
Oct 11, 2010
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That was a pretty sickening display the other night. Murray's level did not drop (in fact I think he was serving harder in the fifth) throughout the entire match. Tennis has become a freak show.
 
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Altitude said:
That was a pretty sickening display the other night. Murray's level did not drop (in fact I think he was serving harder in the fifth) throughout the entire match. Tennis has become a freak show.

Not looking forward to the 5 set "epic" final? :D
 
Dec 13, 2012
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Something not right with Djokovic and Murray they have basically both turned into versions of how Nadal was 3 years ago.
 
Jan 20, 2013
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Picture this loud hailer in hand..
enter centre court at Wimbledon
Please no more applause
for this is the spectre of Wimbledon past
you are no longer witnessing the...
Bjorn Borges passive inner calm and determination
Conner's guile, guts and stealth
McEnroe spitting out his dummy!
This is the new generation of warriors..
they hit the ball with such force
that hawkeye will need not blink or miss it.
These guys don't even sweat, not one bead
runs down their sleek cheeks
They stay in stamina quite unseen before,
not even the greatest five set thriller will see them flounder
yet still you hail them hero
waving your over priced centre court tickets
at the McEnroe press box, listening to his talking shop sport-speak
whilst he tells you how much he enjoyed watching track cycling
at the Olympics with his kids...