Tennis

[SeriousSam]

If only Federer won that first set.

 

[Zebadeedee]

No drop off in Djokovic performance from first to last. Cleans? Doubt it somehow.

 

[sniper]

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No drop off in Djokovic performance from first to last. Cleans? Doubt it somehow.

bbc commentary all over the place praising this as the fittest, most physical generation of tennis players they've ever seen, headed by djokovic of course.
then mentioning his gluten free diet when they explain how his stamina has gone from 'the reason why he never beat guys like federer and nadal' to 'the reason why he's dominating men's tennis'.
hitch was right, they use the word 'theatre' alot at the bbc to describe the current state of the game, as if they're acknowledging it's indeed just that, a theatre. you feel doping will never become an issue in tennis.

 

[Ticker]

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If only Federer won that first set.

Yes, the first set was critical. Federer himself said so in his press conference. It looked like he was gassed at the end, he didn't even let Djokovic serve for it.

 

[doperhopper]

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No drop off in Djokovic performance from first to last. Cleans? Doubt it somehow.

bbc commentary all over the place praising this as the fittest, most physical generation of tennis players they've ever seen, headed by djokovic of course.
then mentioning his gluten free diet when they explain how his stamina has gone from 'the reason why he never beat guys like federer and nadal' to 'the reason why he's dominating men's tennis'.

nice to hear tennis goes the cycling way - marginal gains reloaded... let's hope for more pillows, motorhomes, handwashing and obviously Teide altitude training

 

[blackcat]

Quite the "athlete".

looks like the hgh gut the bodybuilders talk about, tho there is some disputation that it could be 'slin (insulin) that creates this muscle abdoment extended gut.

 

[Andynonomous]

One of the effects of a doped up sport, is the "ageing of champions", where older competitors can compete long after traditional peaks were passed. Like in Baseball's "steroids era" where 40 year olds were pitching 90+ mph, and hitting 40+ home runs.

The same thing has happened in tennis. Some tennis fans have taken note of this, and mention it in the tennis discussion forums. Of course, you get all kinds of "explanations" (denial) how a major change can happen to tennis players performance in just the last couple of decades.

See here :
1973-2015 Ageing on the ATP tour
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=690665

 

[sniper]

when Serena is not 100% fit, she looks monstruous.

I saw some points from the third set of that match she lost recently against Bencic.
She looked awful. Moved like a granny and showed that she is endowed with very little natural talent. What I'd call a non-athlete.
Safe to assume she's a major-league user and a superresponder.

 

[nayr497]

An NY Times piece on her...in reading the comments, everyone is so riled up over race, beauty, etc...no one mentions the doping!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/magazine/the-meaning-of-serena-williams.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article#permid=15890623

 

[robow7]

Andynonomous you make some nice points but I would mention that your stats are thrown slightly off with Agassi in the equation because his second life definitely came about with Gil's mysterious shakes.

 

[Andynonomous]

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Andynonomous you make some nice points but I would mention that your stats are thrown slightly off with Agassi in the equation because his second life definitely came about with Gil's mysterious shakes.

The "MensTennisForums" thread and stats aren't mine.

I am sure that doping was going on in tennis before the Murray/Djokovic/Nadal era. Certainly Agassi and others were using anabolics, but today's tennis players have gone beyond that and are clearly using HGH/IGF-1, EPO/Autologous Blood Doping and other substances that previous generations players didn't use. The game has become MUCH more physical, and the players are competitive at an older age.

 

[blackcat]

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I am sure that doping was going on in tennis before the Murray/Djokovic/Nadal era. Certainly Agassi and others were using anabolics, but today's tennis players have gone beyond that and are clearly using HGH/IGF-1, EPO/Autologous Blood Doping and other substances that previous generations players didn't use. The game has become MUCH more physical, and the players are competitive at an older age.

I reckon Lendl was the first to fully professionalise doping. But then Courier and Muster and the Spaniards who started to come in the 90s

 

[robow7]

blackcat, what evidence or thoughts lead you to believe that Courier was on the juice? Just curious.

 

[blackcat]

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blackcat, what evidence or thoughts lead you to believe that Courier was on the juice? Just curious.

all the "hardest trainer/worker in the sport" since Lendl = doping imo. Rafter too.

 

[Andynonomous]

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blackcat, what evidence or thoughts lead you to believe that Courier was on the juice? Just curious.

Courier was a "grinder", much like the Spaniards, Argentinians, and Muster were in the 90s.

This in itself isn't strong evidence that he was doping, but my guess is that it was better than a 50/50 chance that he was.

 

[blackcat]

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blackcat, what evidence or thoughts lead you to believe that Courier was on the juice? Just curious.

Courier was a "grinder", much like the Spaniards, Argentinians, and Muster were in the 90s.

This in itself isn't strong evidence that he was doping, but my guess is that it was better than a 50/50 chance that he was.

100% chance.

upgrade your estimate like a McDonalds happy meal.

 

[blackcat]

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Courier was a "grinder", much like the Spaniards, Argentinians, and Muster were in the 90s.

This in itself isn't strong evidence that he was doping, but my guess is that it was better than a 50/50 chance that he was.

you see, i never saw Courier as a grindr, but swiping left i may have found incontrovertable evidence

is "hit me up for a workout partner" talking about Austin Teams Tennis, or is this euphemistically so?

 

[SeriousSam]

Federer playing well this year, just remarkable given his age. Like a second wind. I wouldn't be unhappy if he, notorious doper though that he is, lifts a Grand slam trophy one last time.

 

[Ticker]

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Federer playing well this year, just remarkable given his age. Like a second wind. I wouldn't be unhappy if he, notorious doper though that he is, lifts a Grand slam trophy one last time.

He should return like this if the conditions allow for it.

It was some what amusing to see Djokovic serve so many double faults in the Cincinnati final because Federer was returning and playing so aggressively all match. The court playing fast also helped.

 

[robow7]

yea, if the courts aren't playing faster, his shorter returns will sit up and the Fed might find he has a second navel (oh wait a minute, Lendl's not on the other side of the net) What helped at Cincinnati was the element of surprise, that won't be the case the next time they meet. I can guarantee the Djoker will send out more serves wide in the both the ad and deuce and that limits Fed chances of chip and charge.

 

[the delgados]

rowbow7:
Curious to hear your take on John Mcenroe (sp?) claim that Kygrios will be run out of the sport if he doesn't clean up his act.
Funny that the statement comes from the notorious bad boy of tennis. But I'm just wondering how the guy could be run out of the sport. How would that happen?

 

[Cycle Chic]

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rowbow7:
Curious to hear your take on John Mcenroe (sp?) claim that Kygrios will be run out of the sport if he doesn't clean up his act.
Funny that the statement comes from the notorious bad boy of tennis. But I'm just wondering how the guy could be run out of the sport. How would that happen?

who cares - Kygrios is a tit

 

[the delgados]

Kygrious is a kid who is pretty good at playing tennis.
I'm more curious about the remark made by John M. Leaving aside the name, I'm curious how someone is "run out of the sport."

 

[thrawn]

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Kygrious is a kid who is pretty good at playing tennis.
I'm more curious about the remark made by John M. Leaving aside the name, I'm curious how someone is "run out of the sport."

People stop practicing with him if he continues being a prat. The ATP continue to fine & suspend him any time he has the audacity to swear on the court or break a racquet. The media jumping up and down screaming every time he does the same thing just creates additional pressure.

 

[robow7]

The kids got oodles of talent and eventually he'll mature and get his head together .... or not. He's not going to be run out of the game because he's good for the game, truth be told, tennis needs a bad boy or a villain. And honestly he hasn't been that bad yet, comparatively when you think of Connors, McEnroe, Nastase and others before this present vanilla personality age of tennis.
As evidence, who gets an opening night match on center court at the US Open last night, believe me, it wasn't because of the Scott but whom he was playing that the promoters penned this in as the feature match.