Djokovic has reached absurd new heights. It is depressing knowing that likely this will continue for years with no consequences and nobody even looking too hard into what he may be doing. History repeats itself once again.
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Blakeslee said:Djokovic has reached absurd new heights. It is depressing knowing that likely this will continue for years with no consequences and nobody even looking too hard into what he may be doing. History repeats itself once again.
Red Rick said:Hard time seeing one of them as obviously more doped than the other within the Big 3.
I would 100% believe players adapt their doping program to suit their game, but a lot of bulk isn't that helpful in hitting big, although it also depends on which shot and the specific kinetics of the shot.the delgados said:Red Rick said:Hard time seeing one of them as obviously more doped than the other within the Big 3.
On face value, I would disagree. Rafa claims to have never spent a minute in a gym, which is a weird way to deflect questions about why he can destroy a tennis ball five sets in to a match. And check those arms.
But overall, I get your point. We are not talking about steroids to make a player resemble Popeye the Sailor Man.
the delgados said:I just learned that two-time Grand Slam winner Naomi Osaka sent a terse Twitter message saying she is ditching her coach. No explanation was provided.
Seems weird that she would suddenly part ways with the coach who helped her win two consecutive grand slams and rocket to number 1 in the world.
I know there are some people here who know a lot about the sport and am wondering if they have any opinion or knowledge why she ditched him.
Some are suggesting something to do with PEDs, but it is all speculation at this point. Obviously there could be any number of reasons, but the situation is odd.
TMP402 said:the delgados said:I just learned that two-time Grand Slam winner Naomi Osaka sent a terse Twitter message saying she is ditching her coach. No explanation was provided.
Seems weird that she would suddenly part ways with the coach who helped her win two consecutive grand slams and rocket to number 1 in the world.
I know there are some people here who know a lot about the sport and am wondering if they have any opinion or knowledge why she ditched him.
Some are suggesting something to do with PEDs, but it is all speculation at this point. Obviously there could be any number of reasons, but the situation is odd.
I heard a different rumour which is that she wants/wanted to start a family with her man but her team opposed her doing so, which explains her dip in form and changes in her team.
Cookster15 said:TMP402 said:the delgados said:I just learned that two-time Grand Slam winner Naomi Osaka sent a terse Twitter message saying she is ditching her coach. No explanation was provided.
Seems weird that she would suddenly part ways with the coach who helped her win two consecutive grand slams and rocket to number 1 in the world.
I know there are some people here who know a lot about the sport and am wondering if they have any opinion or knowledge why she ditched him.
Some are suggesting something to do with PEDs, but it is all speculation at this point. Obviously there could be any number of reasons, but the situation is odd.
I heard a different rumour which is that she wants/wanted to start a family with her man but her team opposed her doing so, which explains her dip in form and changes in her team.
The conjecture over Osaka is just that - conjecture and not very convincing conjecture at that. She was just knocked off as number 1 I think that might explain her terse Twitter post and dissatisfaction with her coach.
Osaka would be one of the least suspicious in women's tennis IMO. Then we have new world number 1 and French Open champ Ashleigh Barty - does not look suspicious either. Some of these women actually have skill with a racket I think that still counts for something?
Cookster15 said:Osaka would be one of the least suspicious in women's tennis IMO. Then we have new world number 1 and French Open champ Ashleigh Barty - does not look suspicious either. Some of these women actually have skill with a racket I think that still counts for something?
Cookster15 said:TMP402 said:the delgados said:I just learned that two-time Grand Slam winner Naomi Osaka sent a terse Twitter message saying she is ditching her coach. No explanation was provided.
Seems weird that she would suddenly part ways with the coach who helped her win two consecutive grand slams and rocket to number 1 in the world.
I know there are some people here who know a lot about the sport and am wondering if they have any opinion or knowledge why she ditched him.
Some are suggesting something to do with PEDs, but it is all speculation at this point. Obviously there could be any number of reasons, but the situation is odd.
I heard a different rumour which is that she wants/wanted to start a family with her man but her team opposed her doing so, which explains her dip in form and changes in her team.
The conjecture over Osaka is just that - conjecture and not very convincing conjecture at that. She was just knocked off as number 1 I think that might explain her terse Twitter post and dissatisfaction with her coach.
Osaka would be one of the least suspicious in women's tennis IMO. Then we have new world number 1 and French Open champ Ashleigh Barty - does not look suspicious either. Some of these women actually have skill with a racket I think that still counts for something?
wansteadimp said:Cookster15 said:TMP402 said:the delgados said:I just learned that two-time Grand Slam winner Naomi Osaka sent a terse Twitter message saying she is ditching her coach. No explanation was provided.
Seems weird that she would suddenly part ways with the coach who helped her win two consecutive grand slams and rocket to number 1 in the world.
I know there are some people here who know a lot about the sport and am wondering if they have any opinion or knowledge why she ditched him.
Some are suggesting something to do with PEDs, but it is all speculation at this point. Obviously there could be any number of reasons, but the situation is odd.
I heard a different rumour which is that she wants/wanted to start a family with her man but her team opposed her doing so, which explains her dip in form and changes in her team.
The conjecture over Osaka is just that - conjecture and not very convincing conjecture at that. She was just knocked off as number 1 I think that might explain her terse Twitter post and dissatisfaction with her coach.
Osaka would be one of the least suspicious in women's tennis IMO. Then we have new world number 1 and French Open champ Ashleigh Barty - does not look suspicious either. Some of these women actually have skill with a racket I think that still counts for something?
Except the tweet and split was in January/February and she's only just lost the number one ranking. Any other theories?
Cookster15 said:Okay I didn't bother checking when the tweet was. But so what. I just don't think Osaka is any more suspicious than any other women in the top 20. As I said and you ignored in tennis if you have poor skill and hand eye coordination dope ain't gonna help you.
red_flanders said:Doping can increase strength, stamina, and recovery––or all 3 depending on what you're doing. Seems fairly obvious why these benefits would offer massive advantagesCookster15 said:Okay I didn't bother checking when the tweet was. But so what. I just don't think Osaka is any more suspicious than any other women in the top 20. As I said and you ignored in tennis if you have poor skill and hand eye coordination dope ain't gonna help you.
Cookster15 said:I just drop in read loose logic not supported by facts or evidence and make a comment. Logic, reason and facts I don't respond to. If posters would provide valid evidence that Osaka shows suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery I would not bother commenting on this thread.
My bottom line on tennis is this: I am suspicious of Tennis, but Naomi Osaka is probably one of the least suspicious. When has Osaka displayed suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery? Some people might say that by bringing her up is deliberate deflection from the real problems.
Cookster15 said:red_flanders said:Doping can increase strength, stamina, and recovery––or all 3 depending on what you're doing. Seems fairly obvious why these benefits would offer massive advantagesCookster15 said:Okay I didn't bother checking when the tweet was. But so what. I just don't think Osaka is any more suspicious than any other women in the top 20. As I said and you ignored in tennis if you have poor skill and hand eye coordination dope ain't gonna help you.
I just drop in read loose logic not supported by facts or evidence and make a comment. Logic, reason and facts I don't respond to. If posters would provide valid evidence that Osaka shows suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery I would not bother commenting on this thread.
My bottom line on tennis is this: I am suspicious of Tennis, but Naomi Osaka is probably one of the least suspicious. When has Osaka displayed suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery? Some people might say that by bringing her up is deliberate deflection from the real problems.
nevele neves said:It is not so much the massive strength or power that someone has to look for.
The recovery time after training is what we don't know. Doping is a major factor for that recovery.
the delgados said:Cookster15 said:red_flanders said:Doping can increase strength, stamina, and recovery––or all 3 depending on what you're doing. Seems fairly obvious why these benefits would offer massive advantagesCookster15 said:Okay I didn't bother checking when the tweet was. But so what. I just don't think Osaka is any more suspicious than any other women in the top 20. As I said and you ignored in tennis if you have poor skill and hand eye coordination dope ain't gonna help you.
I just drop in read loose logic not supported by facts or evidence and make a comment. Logic, reason and facts I don't respond to. If posters would provide valid evidence that Osaka shows suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery I would not bother commenting on this thread.
My bottom line on tennis is this: I am suspicious of Tennis, but Naomi Osaka is probably one of the least suspicious. When has Osaka displayed suspicious strength, stamina, and recovery? Some people might say that by bringing her up is deliberate deflection from the real problems.
I dunno--winning two grand slams would be a start. Honestly, this is no knock on Osaka; I have no idea if she is on the gear. It just seemed weird that she dropped her coach after reaching he pinnacle of the sport. Who knows--maybe her coach was encouraging her to take it to another level. Point being is it okay to ask questions.
Also, curious to know what you mean by the real problems. If you agree that there are problems, you should understand why people ask questions about the world number 1.
the delgados said:@Cookster:
There is no denying that both Osaka and Barty are tremendously gifted athletes. Also, Barty has a nice touch--e.g. changing pace of a point. Unless I have no idea what power tennis means, both Barty and Osaka can hit baseline bombs with the very best. I don't know if Barty is out of her teens, but regardless, she looks strong like bull. She has shoulders similar to those of Olympic rowers, and she has tremendous stamina.
Re No strong evidence of recovery doping. Admittedly I am just a layperson who played tennis at levels many depths of the sea below what we see on tv, but good lord, man. It does not take an expert to note players in their mid-thirties are barely breaking a sweat in matches that reach the fifth set. I am sure I don't need to remind you those players are.
Take a look back at matches between McEnroe and late 30's Connors back in the very early 90's. They were clearly knackered after a 5-set match.
A match going to 5 all in the 5th set isnt remarkable or evidence of anything.buckle said:I love this forum and how nobody could be bothered to post about the farce taking place at Wimbledon as I write. It's 5-5 in the final set and who gives a ***?