The 2012 CQ Ranking Manager Game

[The Hitch]

Tour + Olympics. (at least that's what I suspect. I don't believe in it though)

Olympics. Tour.

Maybe the Sky TTT (not sure how it will be scored and if he rides it)

On the other hand there won't be such a TT friendly Paris-Nice this year even though I believe that he could do well even with a climb in Mende and he may not win the Dauphine again.

A tt in the olympics is like a tt in the worlds points wise.

So if he comes 2nd in olympic tt he merely replaces the points he got from world tt last year.

He could do worlds tt but I dont see it because he already has a medal there, he did it last year to see how a tt just after a GT goes, and since he wont be doing the Vuelta he wont be on form for it.

Bare in mind that Wiggins got 448 points for his 2011 Vuelta while the person who finished 3rd in the 2011 Tour - Frank, got 500, a mere 52 points more.

If he wins it however he could more than double his gt score. Evans got 997 for winning the Tour.

But then, is he going to keep his Dauphine and PN scores. I highly doubt it. So wiggins essentially needs to win the Tour, podium a very difficult olympic tt to get a good increase on his score, and even then its what, 30, 40%?

 

[Skibby the bush kangaroo]

mc_mountain is right when he says that some of the value comes from using up points to allow more bargains.

For instance, the best possible team last year would have included Gilbert even though he "only" managed a 170% profit and the overall profit of the best team would be something like 350% or so.

The best 1000+ pointers I think are Goss, Nibali, D. Martin in that order.

Yes that is what I'm finding as well. Most of the best riders are perhaps in the 100-250 point range, but you can't make up 7500 points using just them so need some bigger scoring riders who should at least regain their value even if they don't give much of a percentage gain. If there was a larger team size limit I think my team would be quite different (obviously ignoring the fact that with an infinite team limit you would put all the 0pt riders in!!)

 

[hrotha]

The thing with expensive riders is not so much that they're not potentially very profitable, but rather that they represent a huge risk. A serious injury, a Clinic incident or any other negative event would cripple your team severely if it affects a rider you were depending on to score 1500-2000 points. For example, I'm pretty sure Farrar will make a big profit this year, probably at least 300-500 points, but I still preferred to distribute the risk of that investment among several riders.

 

[will10]

Agree with hrotha's post. I had Breschel last year, at 840 he was a reasonable bet to improve, but an injury ruined season cost a lot more than if you "spread the risk" between 2 400 point riders, say.

 

[taiwan]

The thing with expensive riders is not so much that they're not potentially very profitable, but rather that they represent a huge risk. A serious injury, a Clinic incident or any other negative event would cripple your team severely if it affects a rider you were depending on to score 1500-2000 points. For example, I'm pretty sure Farrar will make a big profit this year, probably at least 300-500 points, but I still preferred to distribute the risk of that investment among several riders.

Part of the reason I sought out high priced riders was to put a large amount of points into one team slot, thereby leaving plenty of room for the cheap riders who could make 500-1000% profit. Maybe someone with a clue like Skibby can opine on the wisdom of that method. I really struggled with the choice between good points per point and good absolute points.

[edit] sry, failed to read earlier posts.

 

[roundabout]

A tt in the olympics is like a tt in the worlds points wise.

So if he comes 2nd in olympic tt he merely replaces the points he got from world tt last year.

He could do worlds tt but I dont see it because he already has a medal there, he did it last year to see how a tt just after a GT goes, and since he wont be doing the Vuelta he wont be on form for it.

Bare in mind that Wiggins got 448 points for his 2011 Vuelta while the person who finished 3rd in the 2011 Tour - Frank, got 500, a mere 52 points more.

If he wins it however he could more than double his gt score. Evans got 997 for winning the Tour.

But then, is he going to keep his Dauphine and PN scores. I highly doubt it. So wiggins essentially needs to win the Tour, podium a very difficult olympic tt to get a good increase on his score, and even then its what, 30, 40%?

30, 40% will be good for a rider at 1300 points.

You make some good points, but I would also like to add that Wiggins can score some good points in stage races that are difficult but where a TT is also important or mountain stages are relatively straightforward

Paris-Nice - even of the climb to Mende won't suit him, a stage 1 ITT and a probable Col d'Eze one would

Romandie - the nature of the course and the nature of the ITT again would make him 1 of the favorites if he cares enough

Catalunya on a 2011-like course.

Criterium International

Algarve

He won't have a Tony Martin 2011 season but there are good points that he can earn outside of Tour and Olympics.

 

[hilltopfinisher]

Hello everyone, first post, followed the forum for a while, and also followed the game a bit last year.

I think I have probably taken the biggest risk/reward strategy with 5 riders over 850, which i also gives me a high uniqueness score.

CAVENDISH Mark 1469
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 1391
NIBALI Vincenzo 1127
FARRAR Tyler 953
GESINK Robert 868
PINOTTI Marco 373
BOL Jetse 165
KELDERMAN Wilco 134
CATTANEO Mattia 108
DUMOULIN Tom 81
MARKUS Barry 81
GOOS Marc 76
VAN DER SANDE Tosh 70
DURBRIDGE Luke 65
HEPBURN Michael 64
CHAVEZ RUBIO Johan Esteban 64
MAJKA Rafal 57
RATHE Jakob 50
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 47
CHUZHDA Oleg 46
HOSTE Leif 44
VALLS FERRI Rafael 39
LOCATELLI Stefano 34
EIJSSEN Yannick 28
PAUWELS Serge 18
BOIVIN Guillaume 14
KREDER Raymond 13
STUYVEN Jasper 11
DENNIS Rohan 10
SICARD Romain 0
LLOYD Matthew 0
BELLIS Jonathan 0
AUGUSTYN John-Lee 0

the bolded riders are there ones i am most nervous about, the riders in italics if they suffer injury or similar then of course i have no chance to win, but i can still consider how profitable or not my cheaper picks turn out to be.

I am particularly pleased that Jasper Stuyven is a unique pick, as he could pick up 150 points, Raymond Kreder is unique as well but not such high hopes.

 

[taiwan]

The best 1000+ pointers I think are Goss, Nibali, D. Martin in that order.

Initially I only wanted to look at riders who could potentially double their score. Over 1000 that was basically just Nibali. I also gave Visconti an outside chance though, who you don't mention. Moving up to the PT again, a hard working, versatile rider with a very strong finish and a nose for a win.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'm surprised so few people picked Freire. It's a risky pick, but he could easily double his 2010 score.

 

[The Hitch]

30, 40% will be good for a rider at 1300 points.

You make some good points, but I would also like to add that Wiggins can score some good points in stage races that are difficult but where a TT is also important or mountain stages are relatively straightforward

Paris-Nice - even of the climb to Mende won't suit him, a stage 1 ITT and a probable Col d'Eze one would

Romandie - the nature of the course and the nature of the ITT again would make him 1 of the favorites if he cares enough

Catalunya on a 2011-like course.

Criterium International

Algarve

He won't have a Tony Martin 2011 season but there are good points that he can earn outside of Tour and Olympics.

I dont think Wiggins cares much for races outside France. He always goes for PN and Dauphine. Even in the classics Paris Roubaix he said was by far his favorite classic and he insists on riding it even though its just about the only one that wouldnt be good preperation and the others should suit him more.

So I dont see him going for Romandie which he didnt do that well in this year, or Catalunya.

Criterium meanwhile, if that still has the stage 1 mtf cant see him winning that neither.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Hello everyone, first post, followed the forum for a while, and also followed the game a bit last year.

I think I have probably taken the biggest risk/reward strategy with 5 riders over 850, which i also gives me a high uniqueness score.

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the bolded riders are there ones i am most nervous about, the riders in italics if they suffer injury or similar then of course i have no chance to win, but i can still consider how profitable or not my cheaper picks turn out to be.

I am particularly pleased that Jasper Stuyven is a unique pick, as he could pick up 150 points, Raymond Kreder is unique as well but not such high hopes.

Durbridge may disappoint considering his main season goal. I'm not confident that it was a great pick. (He's in my team as well)

Kelderman - I guess I underrate him like hell. What do you all expect from him, 300+ points?

 

[roundabout]

I dont think Wiggins cares much for races outside France. He always goes for PN and Dauphine. Even in the classics Paris Roubaix he said was by far his favorite classic and he insists on riding it even though its just about the only one that wouldnt be good preperation and the others should suit him more.

So I dont see him going for Romandie which he didnt do that well in this year, or Catalunya.

Criterium meanwhile, if that still has the stage 1 mtf cant see him winning that neither.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-and-cavendish-wont-team-up-until-tour-de-france

According to this he is doing the Volta.

Algarve-Paris-Nice-Volta

Good points if he is in form with the first 2 and possibly the Volta if it has a long enough TT or an MTF.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-and-cavendish-wont-team-up-until-tour-de-france

According to this he is doing the Volta.

Algarve-Paris-Nice-Volta

Good points if he is in form with the first 2 and possibly the Volta if it has a long enough TT or an MTF.

Together with the precious... omg.

 

[Kvinto]

tbh, i have no idea why should Kelderman score much, i may be mistaken of course, time will tell...

 

[hilltopfinisher]

Durbridge may disappoint considering his main season goal. I'm not confident that it was a great pick. (He's in my team as well)

Kelderman - I guess I underrate him like hell. What do you all expect from him, 300+ points?

well when i originally composed my post he was bolded as well, not so nervous about him just as he's been a popular pick same applies to durbridge, but suspect he will get to a 100 points even with a a track focus, its not like he wont ride on the rode at all.

Last year neo-pro talents did well ie Matthews and Degenkolb, but where there any stage race type neos other than Talansky (76>229)?

 

[roundabout]

Haas, Betancur, Kwiatkowski (ok more TT, but he podiumed in 3 stage races )

 

[the_fool_on_the_hill]

Offredo

any one with Offredo,

inrng and julien pretot (reutuers) reporting on twitter he's missed 3 tests, but seem to think will escape ban having explain missed tests

Update - offredo says team at fault for 3rd missed test, he was racing and team didnt update whereabouts

 

[Jancouver]

Hello everyone, first post, followed the forum for a while, and also followed the game a bit last year.

I think I have probably taken the biggest risk/reward strategy with 5 riders over 850, which i also gives me a high uniqueness score.

CAVENDISH Mark 1469
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 1391
NIBALI Vincenzo 1127
FARRAR Tyler 953
GESINK Robert 868
PINOTTI Marco 373
BOL Jetse 165
KELDERMAN Wilco 134
CATTANEO Mattia 108
DUMOULIN Tom 81
MARKUS Barry 81
GOOS Marc 76
VAN DER SANDE Tosh 70
DURBRIDGE Luke 65
HEPBURN Michael 64
CHAVEZ RUBIO Johan Esteban 64
MAJKA Rafal 57
RATHE Jakob 50
ANACONA GOMEZ Winner Andrew 47
CHUZHDA Oleg 46
HOSTE Leif 44
VALLS FERRI Rafael 39
LOCATELLI Stefano 34
EIJSSEN Yannick 28
PAUWELS Serge 18
BOIVIN Guillaume 14
KREDER Raymond 13
STUYVEN Jasper 11
DENNIS Rohan 10
SICARD Romain 0
LLOYD Matthew 0
BELLIS Jonathan 0
AUGUSTYN John-Lee 0

the bolded riders are there ones i am most nervous about, the riders in italics if they suffer injury or similar then of course i have no chance to win, but i can still consider how profitable or not my cheaper picks turn out to be.

I am particularly pleased that Jasper Stuyven is a unique pick, as he could pick up 150 points, Raymond Kreder is unique as well but not such high hopes.

Not sure why you are nervous about those cheap buys. You should be nervous about those expensive riders. Yes, those are guys riders but if one of them has a bad season/injury and you are out.

 

[roundabout]

any one with Offredo,

inrng and julien pretot (reutuers) reporting on twitter he's missed 3 tests, but seem to think will escape ban having explain missed tests

I have him. What I am feeling right now is best left for the other section of the forum.

 

[The Hitch]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-and-cavendish-wont-team-up-until-tour-de-france

According to this he is doing the Volta.

Algarve-Paris-Nice-Volta

Good points if he is in form with the first 2 and possibly the Volta if it has a long enough TT or an MTF.

Im not denying that he will participate, just dont think he will try to hard.
He came 62nd in a Romandie which suited him this year, 42nd in Criterium International despite coming 2nd in the tt.

In 2010 we all though Andy was very poor in Pais Vasco and yet he came 12 minutes and 20 places ahead of Wiggins who didnt even get top 30.

So I dont think he will try in these races. Hell try in Dauphine as he wants to be on good form by then but I dont think anywhere else.

 

[Kvinto]

any one with Offredo,

inrng and julien pretot (reutuers) reporting on twitter he's missed 3 tests, but seem to think will escape ban having explain missed tests

if he gets banned i'll lose whole my interest in this game

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-dopingoffredo

 

[hilltopfinisher]

Haas, Betancur, Kwiatkowski (ok more TT, but he podiumed in 3 stage races )

i was thinking more of it there was a hyped rider like Kelderman. Maybe Kennaugh qualifies?

trying to contrast the point scoring ability of neo stage racer types against sprinter/classic type riders.

Will be interesting to see if Kelderman gets the opportunities and can take them to prove himself to be a good pick.

@jancouver

I guess i mean i am more nervous in terms of my ability (or not) to spot a talent/good choice for the game. Goos and Cattaneo will still be in u23 ranks until at least august, where will Bol have chances to score? as I said in my post I know I will have no chance if any of my big 5 score low, but that is down to chance, not 'judgement'

 

[nobilis]

any one with Offredo,

inrng and julien pretot (reutuers) reporting on twitter he's missed 3 tests, but seem to think will escape ban having explain missed tests

that's a bit surprising. In this video : http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-roue-libre-une-seance-de-home-trainer-avec-yoann-offredo-21239.html he was talking about the adams software (to track athletes) and how important it is.

 

[the_fool_on_the_hill]

that's a bit surprising. In this video : http://www.cyclismactu.net/news-roue-libre-une-seance-de-home-trainer-avec-yoann-offredo-21239.html he was talking about the adams software (to track athletes) and how important it is.

inrng mention the video as well.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

well when i originally composed my post he was bolded as well, not so nervous about him just as he's been a popular pick same applies to durbridge, but suspect he will get to a 100 points even with a a track focus, its not like he wont ride on the rode at all.

Last year neo-pro talents did well ie Matthews and Degenkolb, but where there any stage race type neos other than Talansky (76>229)?

Talansky is in my team now he amazed me in Lombardia so I decided to give him a chance