The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

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DJ Sprtsch said:
well, I regret that I forgot about Calmejane (as I wrote in the 'lesser known race results' thread). Not that he for sure will double or so. But the gusto he proved already last year will for sure give more points this year with that practice. And he showed it in his first race!

Calmejane was my French pro-conti pick, until I decided he was little pricey and chose Hivert instead. Now it looks possible Hivert could be Donkeying for Calmejane after his start to the season, just to rub it in :lol:
 
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Maaaaaaaarten said:
I only heard Ciccone has some heart problems a week or two ago; I don't know for how long this has been known but if I'd known that I wouldn't have picked him. Otherwise he seems like a very talented climber who can do well in anything from hilly terrain to high mountains and he would mostly be racing on the Italian domestic calendar where he would have plenty of opportunity to earn some points.

I found out by checking his twitter and seeing lots of hospital photos. Otherwise he would have been one of my first selections, and probably will be next year now...
 
Well, it's a quiet week for CQ points, so I'm gonna share some musings on some riders in this game that I don't have on my team. The process of picking a CQ team, for me, is all about refinement, going over and over a long list until I either become convinced with a rider and put him on, or become doubtful enough of a rider to take him off the list. Then, when I have about 4-5 spots left, I see who fits them out of the guys I can't decide on. These are some guys I couldn't quite manage to convince myself to put on the team, in order of how expensive they were.

Fernando Gaviria (833 points) - the case for Gaviria is obvious. He's young, he's incredibly fast, and he looks like a generational talent. It's easy to even take his 2016 season, add some points for natural improvement, and play 'what if' on races like San Remo (where he made it to the final and crashed in the finishing strait) and the Worlds (where he made the winning move but then bizarrely broke his collarbone without falling off his bike), to get to a total points score of like 1300-1500. But then factor in that he was focused on the track and Rio, realize he only raced 44 days, and do the math - this kid could get 2000 points. He should be getting that on the regular soon enough anyway.

Even counter-arguments aren't very convincing - there are some other fast guys on QuickStep, for sure, but he won't be expected to contend all the same races as them. Kittel will get the Tour sprints, but most everything else should be Gav's. Boonen will lead the cobbles, but Gav is more likely to lead in races Boonen isn't targeting anyways. QuickStep is the best team at spreading around the results, and they are the best team (at the top level, at least) at knowing what to do with young talent. He's going to have a fine year.

And yet. It's not such a simple equation as 'imagine him riding 80 days and pro-rate his score'. He's riding the Giro and possibly the Tour after - that's 21 or 42 more days right there, and if he did do the Tour, he'd be second fiddle to Kittel for most of 21 race days. And he could win 5 Giro stages maybe at the high end, but if breakaways get away some days, or if he crashes in the first week in a battle for positioning, or if Greipel and Ewan beat him on the flat finishes, he could ride 21 days without as efficient of a return as 2016. And if he takes a step up to bigger races, he might not get the kind of run where he got 417 points in 6 race days from mid-September until Paris-Tours. San Remo is no guarantee either - it ended in a bunch last year, but if a move goes on the Poggio and he's sprinting for 9th, it's not quite the dreamy points that we can fantasy book for 2016 if he hadn't crashed. I still think if he has a 'bad' year he'll crack 1000, there's no way he's a 'bad' pick. But I'm cautious enough of his upside this year that I decided for sure on some other expensive riders first (Nibali, Aru, Kwiat etc) and couldn't find room for him.

Miguel Angel Lopez (763) - I think he's been overlooked in this game a bit. He's a monster talent and Nibali's gone, clearing some space for him to do his thing. Aru will likely be focused on the Giro and Vuelta, Fuglsang is the main Tour guy, which leaves him open to romp in any variety of races. He won 1 out of the 4 WT stage races he was in last year, and his only other points were from Langkawi (which he should have won), San Luis, and winning Milano-Torino at the end of the year. With growing consistency and a more free role, I could see a big improvement. His talent is just too irrepressible. But still, I think with the delayed season start he might be hampered, and might need another year to really blossom.

Rigoberto Uran (687)
Tony Martin (657)
Tejay Van Garderen (574)


All of these guys fall under the conventional "they've been much better before" strategy. The case could be made for any of them - Uran got sick at the Giro last year and has more potential in one-days with a better calendar; Martin is going to be used less as a workhorse than at QuickStep and has a feel for the cobbles this year; Tejay has had two bad years but this was still the guy who looked like he was going to podium the Tour two years ago before getting sick (and the Giro route suits him okay). But... meh. There are more exciting guys this year in the higher price range. Even I, patron saint of picking safe bets, couldn't get excited enough about them. Still, any of these guys could be a boon to the minority of teams that pick them.

Caleb Ewan (552) - well, this one already looks like a bad omission. I know my reasoning for keeping him out: his points were largely off of one big win (that he didn't even win on the road), he seemed to have a hit a wall in terms of who he could beat, with good young sprinters emerging (see: Gaviria) that could beat him straight up... he didn't seem to have much development momentum in terms of stamina. But from his torrid January, that reasoning was proven to be a bit of a fallacy, not seeing the forest for the trees. The counter-narrative, of course, was that he was learning endurance, and a year of things not going easily for a young, prolific sprinter would inevitably lead to a winter of working on adjustments and a hunger to win out of the gate. His results in Australia were about as good as they could have been (save a nationals win), and helped by the surprise increase in points for the TDU. Even without those extra points he looks like a good pick this year - we will see if he can win the big races when everyone's in shape, but my initial ceiling for him (around his 2015 score) looks destined to be wrong.

Edward Theuns (405) - I tried really hard to include him on my team, but couldn't make him fit. I think he has as good an argument of any of my marginal final additions: he scored 1000 points in small races in 2015, had a year of adjustment at Trek, but showed some real promise in the bunch sprints and 1-days, suggesting a tantalizing combo with Stuyven for the future (albeit now with Degenkolb too). His crash out of the Tour ended his season early and although he expressed worries about a full recovery, he looks fine. I'll be rooting for him even if he's not on my team.

Guillaume Martin (227)
David Gaudu (196)
Vincenzo Albanese (159)
Kilian Frankiny (129)
Gregor Muhlberger (125)
Edward Ravasi (114)
Schachmann/Cavagna/Mas/De Plus


All these young guys I considered strongly, but didn't pick for different reasons. Martin I had last year and he was solid; Wanty is a great place for a young climber like him to develop, he started late last year and didn't really peak until July, so with progression and two peaks this year he could be a good pick. Albanese I have talked about; I talked myself out of him last minute and am worried he will do well. The others, I either felt like they wouldn't be good neos because they were too young, buried on a strong team, or in the case of De Plus and Muhlberger, talented 2nd year riders who didn't show enough consistency or high level results to make me think they'd break through this year.

How about you guys? Anyone you're thinking of that you strongly considered but didn't take?
 
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postmanhat said:
Maaaaaaaarten said:
I only heard Ciccone has some heart problems a week or two ago; I don't know for how long this has been known but if I'd known that I wouldn't have picked him. Otherwise he seems like a very talented climber who can do well in anything from hilly terrain to high mountains and he would mostly be racing on the Italian domestic calendar where he would have plenty of opportunity to earn some points.

I found out by checking his twitter and seeing lots of hospital photos. Otherwise he would have been one of my first selections, and probably will be next year now...
Bardiani tweeted late January that he was back in training, and that they cheered him for a great 2017. So there is still hope he will have a good season already this year :)
 
@Skidmark. It would indeed be great news for us that did not fit in Gaviria if he also rode the Tour De France and wasted a lot of racedays there not gotting many points, but for me that is not even a remote possibility. That would require Kittel to be injured badly before Gaviria starting the Giro or something like that and then the benefit would also dissapear. Otherwice it will not happen. He is not particulary suited (especially due to zero experience in that) to help Kittel and also it makes no sence to let a young rider like that ride 2 straight Grand Tours after never having ridden any before.

I felt bad before the season about not picking him and was very unsure about him and Kwiatkowski where I only had room for 1. I definetly would have liked to change that pick now with Kwiatkowski not starting the season well, and I can fear us not picking him will be a big problem and if he only gets the 1300-1500 points I think we can be relieved.
 
Regarding your team, skidmark, it will be interesting to see if the two of your rare picks (Nibali and Grosu, price 1380) will be able to beat two of your popular omissions (Gav and Ewan, price 1385 [your team has 32 points to spare, so it is a possible substitution]).

I don't really know how much to expect from Grosu, but it is obvious that much depends on Nibali for your combo to outscore the popular alternative. The rarity of your picks and the popularity of the omissions will make that matchup likely to be deciding for your team's upper ceiling. Best of luck to you, such a shame that the competition in the Giro is so fierce ;)
 
Yeah, Gaviria won't ride the TdF and even tho he will play second fiddle to Boonen and the rest in harder cobbled classics, he will still be their best bet in K-B-K and G-W. He is probably the favourite for those kinda races, at least Kuurne. And since the only faster guy is on the same team, chances are Gaviria will win 2-4 stages in the Giro.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Yeah, Gaviria won't ride the TdF and even tho he will play second fiddle to Boonen and the rest in harder cobbled classics, he will still be their best bet in K-B-K and G-W. He is probably the favourite for those kinda races, at least Kuurne. And since the only faster guy is on the same team, chances are Gaviria will win 2-4 stages in the Giro.
Normally Gaviria won't start in K-B-K.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Yeah, Gaviria won't ride the TdF and even tho he will play second fiddle to Boonen and the rest in harder cobbled classics, he will still be their best bet in K-B-K and G-W. He is probably the favourite for those kinda races, at least Kuurne. And since the only faster guy is on the same team, chances are Gaviria will win 2-4 stages in the Giro.

I thought I read something in the last month that had Lefevre saying that it was a possibility he'd ride the Tour. But I can't find it, so maybe it was just some rando on the board here musing about it and I misremembered. Either way, yeah I expect that he'll be the guy for G-W for sure, and maybe DDV again (with more points than last year). He will be interesting to watch, a case of a rider I like but don't have on my team.

@netserk, that's an interesting comparison you make with Grosu and Nibali - basically it's more like "Nibali and whatever Grosu can contribute", so yeah a lot depends on Nibali. If Gaviria gets, say, 1300 and Ewan gets 800, Nibali can match that himself possibly, but it's entirely possible that the two young sprinters just pile it up. I'd say that best case scenario for me is like Nibali 2200, Grosu 4-500, Gav/Ewan total 2000. But really, on the other end maybe Nibali and Gaviria get matching scores, in which case it's Ewan vs Grosu and I start falling behind a lot. Either way, if I have to roll the dice at least it's on a proven commodity like Nibali. It was a bummer when I heard Quintana was doing the Giro, but the season is long, Nibs can get lots of points in lots of places.
 
Some riders that I really regretted not picking include:
The younger riders, such as Boudat, Hofstetter, Jakobsen, Sivakov and Storer. The first two would have been great for French races (if they go well), the other two seem as if they'll track well. Storer as seen has performed very well.

Of the older riders, Spilak, Gesink, Zakarin, Preidler, Felline, Howson and Alaphillipe were my riders I wanted to include.

If Meintjes had indicated he'd ride the Giro I'd have loved to have picked him too.

Never really considered Ewan or Minali but retrospectively those are regrets.
 
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Soooo nothing much happening this week (for me at least), but next week should be exciting for all, with three stage races. :)

Tour of Oman
FRANK, Mathias
GOUGEARD, Alexis
DE PLUS, Laurens
MAMYKIN, Matvey

Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol
LANDA, Mikel
ROLLAND, Pierre
CARTHY, Hugh
DOMBROWSKI, Joe

Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta
CARAPAZ, Richard
FRAILE, Omar
BOOM, Lars
ROGLIČ, Primož
KWIATKOWSKI, Michal
DEGENKOLB, John
VAN KEIRSBULCK, Guillaume

Plenty of potential, but not that many certainties, we'll see how it turns out.
 
Yes, it will be interessting to see how many teams that drew blank and scored zero points this week. Jan Polanc saved me from shame by scoring 7 points today :eek:

Next week should be better:

Oman:
ARU Fabio
OSS Daniel
KÜNG Stefan
GOUGEARD Alexis
DE PLUS Laurens
HANSEN Lasse Norman
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David

Andalucia:
LANDA MEANA Mikel
BOUDAT Thomas
TROFIMOV Yury

Algarve:
KWIATKOWSKI Michal
DEGENKOLB John
STUYVEN Jasper
SPILAK Simon
PHINNEY Taylor
BOOM Lars
HERKLOTZ Silvio

Should at least score more points than this week...
 
My riders for the upcoming stage races:

-Tour of Oman (2.HC)
Haas
De Plus
Kung

-Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista del Sol (2.HC)
Rolland
Van der Sande
Ludvigsson

-Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta (2.HC)
Fraile
Mullen
Gaudu
Mas Nicolau
Degenkolb
Pedersen

-Tour Cycliste International du Haut Var-Matin (2.1)
Geniez
Ficara

I think it will be a pretty disappointing week and a big drop in GC.
 
My riders for this week:

-Tour of Oman
Aru
Küng
Sinkeldam
Arredondo
De Plus
Denifl

-Vuelta a Andalucia
Landa
Dombrowski
Rolland
Trofimov
Felline

-Volta ao Algarve
Barta
Spilak
Boom
Deignan
Kwiatkowski
Degenkolb
Theuns

I think that should be a pretty good lineup for me. However looking at other posts, I think most people have strong riders for this week.
 
Yeah, I'm already moving past this zero point week and onto next; looking forward to this glut of races, my team has had a slow start and it'd be nice to start getting some returns.

Oman

Lasse Norman Hansen
Fabio Aru
Stefan Kung
Simone Ponzi
EM Grosu
Yves Lampaert
Matvey Mamykin

A good amount of riders, but other than Aru being a good shot for the overall if he's in any form, I dunno what to expect. Grosu could get some placings in sprints, but there are only two sure sprint stages. Lampaert might get a few points if Boonen doesn't sprint. Mamykin didn't look in form in his first race, and the other guys could maybe get something out of a late attack on a stage. But it doesn't look like the most inspiring crew.

Andalucia

Mikel Landa
Joe Dombrowski
Ondrej Cink
Edward Planckaert

Three of the four guys in their first races of the season, don't know what to expect, and I'm excited to see how Cink works out after a pretty promising TDU.

Algarve

Taylor Phinney
Tiago Machado
Michal Kwiatkowski
John Degenkolb

Kwiat should, in theory, do well at this race, but didn't exactly look inspiring in his first race. Machado looked dreadful in Australia; if he doesn't do something in his home race, it bodes very poorly for his year. Phinney could do something in the TT.

Haut Var - nobody

All in all, not looking like the most promising week, truth be told. Dang, I guess I do have some decent guys for Abu Dhabi, looking ahead, and that's WT so maybe next week will be bigger.
 
Great to read that Felline took his first victory yesterday.

Next week:
Tour of Oman
GOUGEARD Alexis
ARU Fabio
ARREDONDO MORENO Julian
DE PLUS Laurens
LAMPAERT Yves
SINKELDAM Ramon
Stefan Küng

Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol
LANDA MEANA Mikel
FELLINE Fabio
TROFIMOV Yury

Volta ao Algarve
BENOOT Tiesj
CARAPAZ Richard
GAVIRIA Fernando
ŠPILAK Simon
BOOM Lars
ROGLIC Primož
MOLANO Juan Sebastian

Tour du Haut Var
JAUREGUI Quentin
 
I think I scored 10 points :eek: 5 with Page, 5 with Vendrame

This week should be better

Tour of Oman (2.HC)
Gougeard
Aru
Küng
Ponzi

Ruta del Sol (2.HC)
Contador
Trofimov

Volta ao Algarve (2.HC)
Machado
Spilak
Mas
Degenkolb
Theuns

Tour du Haut Var (2.1)
Bohli
Dillier
Vendrame
 
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Another awful week for team Guybrush (powered by Grog®), in order to motivate the guys here is our new maillot

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and inspired by Movistar the jerseys of our national champions (Dowsett and König, both ITT)

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Update #5: Trudgin to the Top

The past week was destined to be a quiet one with the cancellations of Qatar and the race formerly known as the Tour Med. And in the CQ game, it was even quieter, with no popular riders scoring big and very few riders scoring at all. Fabio Felline, owned by 8 teams, scored 140 points for his 1.HC win, and lo and behold, 8 teams in this game scored 140 points or more this week. Still, it's a week in the CQ game, the points for the green jersey all the same, and if you win the week you get your name in lights, just the same as if you win the third week of a grand tour with 1000 points.

This Week's Top Scorers

Rank Team Points this week
1 Trudgin 233
2 ItalianGigolo 185
3 Leadbelly 173
4 GP Blanco 165
5 Gigs_98 155

Trudgin is the only team that cracks 200 points this week, on the shoulders of Felline of course, but also with help from Carlos Barbero Cuesta (36 points, 3 teams), Ion Izaguirre (28 points, unique pick), and Lilian Calmejane (11 points, 2 teams). A good combo this week! ItalianGigolo is the best of the rest, with 30 points from perennial underachiever Mattia Cattaneo on top of Felline's haul. Leadbelly rounds out the podium with points from Felline, Tiesj Benoot, and 13 points from the winner of the 'I don't have any idea who this is or what race they got points in' prize, Salah Eddine Mraouni (who is NOT a unique pick! 2 teams have him).

This Week's High Movers

Rank Team up/down
1 GP Blanco (+33)
2 Pantani1 (+28)
3 Trudgin (+25)
4 ItalianGigolo (+22)
5 DFA123 (+20)

Going to show that even small points weeks can usher in big jumps in the early season, GP Blanco jumps 33 spots to 66th place, and Pantani1 jumps 28 into a tie for 67th.

Green Jersey Competition

Rank Team Total
1 LightBing 61
2 Nicosix 59
2 archieboy 59
4 greenedge 46.2
5 Trudgin 45
5 scrooll07 45

Five weeks in, and we are almost at the point where you need more than a week's win to get in the top table. LightBing holds onto top spot, but Nicosix scores 14 points this week to move into a tie for 2nd breathing down LightBing's neck.

Top 10 Overall

Rank Up/down Team Points
1 (-) greenedge 1404
2 (-) LightBing 1261
3 (-) jeroenk 1233
4 (+5) Eyeballs Out 1124
5 (+2) lenissart 1118
6 (+1) 18-Valve. (pithy) 1115
7 (-3) karaev 1078
8 (+2) scrooll07 1056
9 (-4) Jancouver 1053
10 (-4) sublimit 1051

A quiet week at the top; Eyeballs Out moves up 5 spots on only 98 points for the week; despite the shifting around, no new entries or exits in the top 10.

Spreadsheet at dropbox
 
Felline is the only rider who made points for me this week but he was enough to have the 5th best team of the week :D
Big relief to have a comparable good week after a very bad start. I'm still only on 107th place :eek: