The Armitstead doping thread.

[sniper]

goodpost.
i share the confusion about who did what in Armissedtests case

 

[blutto]

....trying to imagine how this thread would have played out if she was Russian....

Cheers

 

[Cannibal72]

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nicole cooks statement has an interesting three line paragraph about UKAD and her asking them to tkghten up the whereabouts system.
Seems they sold her the same crap they sold the british parliament saying they announce testing to athletes because then they can target test the athletes who dont show up at the race.
Ukad, a load of facilitators.

http://road.cc/content/news/73788-lizzie-armitstead-says-nicole-cooke-wrong-focus-doping-mondays-parting-shot

 

[jmdirt]

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Lizzie Armistead's missed tests;

20/08/15
Wins in plouay 29/08 & women's world cup overall

05/10/15
Won WC RR on 26/09

09/06/16
Wins Avivva womens tour

Nothing to see here.........

This is meaningless without adding in the dates of her completed tests.

As we know completed tests are absolutely meaningless. Ask Armstrong. Ask Marion Jones. No doubt she was tested after each win.

Not that there aren't a lot of issues with testing, but LA's case is irrelevant to today's platoon. In fact, using LA for the gold standard of cheating in cycling still is like using my old Commodore VIC 20 (Apple II for you apple folks) as a technology reference for today's devices.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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....trying to imagine how this thread would have played out if she was Russian....

Cheers

Here? More people would be defending her, either directly or by calling those riders who have criticised her hypocrites.

 

[Benotti69]

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....trying to imagine how this thread would have played out if she was Russian....

Cheers

Here? More people would be defending her, either directly or by calling those riders who have criticised her hypocrites.

Can you point to an example of posters defending any Russians? Menchov, Zakarin, Ekimov?????

Back up your accusations of hypocrites!!!

 

[Journey Man]

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I disagree. She was not accessible. She was not tested. Athletes don't switch phones on to silent. That is unprofessional. She avoided a test. She claimed her phone was on silent, but how can it be proved? When one is away from family one doesn't switch a phone to silent, never mind a professional athlete who is on the OOC system. Why was some of her team not able to do something to gain access to Lizzie to get her up for the test? Was she in the hotel on her own? Managers? Soignuers? Mechanics? No one was up preparing for the day?

I silence my phone frequently when sleeping. I'm in a safety critical job and responsible for turning up to work and being rested. I have an eleven hour period prior to reporting wherein I cannot be disturbed. I imagine for an athlete rest is critical.

I also have had the situation on lay overs when I've forgotten my colleague's room number and reception won't divulge that to me despite being a single booking of two rooms, and all paid on my business credit card... So I can imagine hotels not divulging her room number.

The matter of three tests, however, does not look so innocent.

 

[Benotti69]

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Lizzie Armistead's missed tests;

20/08/15
Wins in plouay 29/08 & women's world cup overall

05/10/15
Won WC RR on 26/09

09/06/16
Wins Avivva womens tour

Nothing to see here.........

This is meaningless without adding in the dates of her completed tests.

As we know completed tests are absolutely meaningless. Ask Armstrong. Ask Marion Jones. No doubt she was tested after each win.

Not that there aren't a lot of issues with testing, but LA's case is irrelevant to today's platoon. In fact, using LA for the gold standard of cheating in cycling still is like using my old Commodore VIC 20 (Apple II for you apple folks) as a technology reference for today's devices.

Nope. Can you point to the changes in testing that are catching more athletes? I was not using Armstrong, but the testing. If anything the testers are still using commodre 64s while the peloton are using 27‑inch iMac with Retina 5K displays.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I'm getting confused. Too many LAs. One was more than enough

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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So the first test ..my phone was off and its all your fault...still a missed test
The second test...Filing error, I wasnt where I said Id be...sooo still a missed test
Whats the third test excuse ?

Lizzie has a history of everything being somebody else's fault, so this is hardly surprising

 

[doperhopper]

Are we going to have L.A. Confindential II.?

And the film "Cycling shorts" will start with Lizzie's popular GCN cameo.

 

[ferryman]

I'm not sure what to make of this but I am sure as hell if it was me and missed a 2nd test with my whole livelihood on the line and possible Olympic glory round the corner, that first test would have been appealed the day after it. Wee Lizzie is either incredibly stupid or very cocky (or more likely both).

 

[burning]

I don't get it why on earth Rasmussen got shafted so hard in pretty much the same situtation, while she is enjoying full protection from BC. I guess every anglo rider would enjoy this protection when Cookson and his gang is in the charge.

 

[peloton]

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So the first test ..my phone was off and its all your fault...still a missed test
The second test...Filing error, I wasnt where I said Id be...sooo still a missed test
Whats the third test excuse ?

Lizzie has a history of everything being somebody else's fault, so this is hardly surprising

Could you elaborate on this? Would be interesting to hear more

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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So the first test ..my phone was off and its all your fault...still a missed test
The second test...Filing error, I wasnt where I said Id be...sooo still a missed test
Whats the third test excuse ?

Lizzie has a history of everything being somebody else's fault, so this is hardly surprising

Could you elaborate on this? Would be interesting to hear more

It's just me being sarcastic about her tendency to always find somebody or something to blame back in the days when she was the perennial bridesmaid. À la Leif Hoste. Somebody had always blocked her at a key time, not done their share etc. Ponferrada is probably the most famous example, when she threw a hissy about Longo Borghini (who doesn't have a sprint), Johansson and Vos not wanting to lead out in the final kilometre; being very catty especially about Emma who she's seemingly never got on with. "For sure I don't know why she didn't work, but she got another silver [actually bronze], maybe she prefers them" - notwithstanding that, of course, of that quartet Johansson had by far the weakest protection from teammates up to the point of the break, and had been the one to try to escape solo too. Targets included British Cycling, in fact, when they had the temerity to back Cooke over her not only in Geelong but in København too.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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I don't get it why on earth Rasmussen got shafted so hard in pretty much the same situtation, while she is enjoying full protection from BC. I guess every anglo rider would enjoy this protection when Cookson and his gang is in the charge.

If it turns out that she was in the Dolomites when she claims she was in Sweden, perhaps.

I like a good fantasy about Cookson secretly controlling the CAS so as to advantage Anglophone cyclists as much as the next crank, mind you.

 

[thehog]

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I don't get it why on earth Rasmussen got shafted so hard in pretty much the same situtation, while she is enjoying full protection from BC. I guess every anglo rider would enjoy this protection when Cookson and his gang is in the charge.

That's an easy question. Because now we have full transparency. So any UK athlete can behave in any manner they like and most likely you won't hear about it. It it does leak, it covered up nicely by CAS.

 

[BullsFan22]

If Armitstead isn't getting any punishment over three missed tests in a 12 month span, then the ASO and UCI need to give Rasmussen that 2007 TDF title. I mean, Contador has already tested positive, we know he is a proven doper and plus he appeared in the Operacion Puetro list, so Rasmussen getting that title shouldn't be much of a problem. Unreal hypocrisy by the UKAD and BC.

The more I see stuff like this happening, the more I am inclined to think that there is a pro-Anglophone bias within the UCI.

Have Paula, Sir Brad, Mo, Reedie, Dawg, Lord Coe said anything about this? Are they saying this is another step in the right direction for ant-doping? Are they saying it was a mistake by Lizzie and co. and that she shouldn't be punished for something so trivial? They are probably too busy trying to keep those pesky Russians, Jamaicans and Kenyans in line with 'fair play' for Rio. Wouldn't want any cheaters taking all the glory from the 'clean' athletes in Rio, would we?

 

[peloton]

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So the first test ..my phone was off and its all your fault...still a missed test
The second test...Filing error, I wasnt where I said Id be...sooo still a missed test
Whats the third test excuse ?

Lizzie has a history of everything being somebody else's fault, so this is hardly surprising

Could you elaborate on this? Would be interesting to hear more

It's just me being sarcastic about her tendency to always find somebody or something to blame back in the days when she was the perennial bridesmaid. À la Leif Hoste. Somebody had always blocked her at a key time, not done their share etc. Ponferrada is probably the most famous example, when she threw a hissy about Longo Borghini (who doesn't have a sprint), Johansson and Vos not wanting to lead out in the final kilometre; being very catty especially about Emma who she's seemingly never got on with. "For sure I don't know why she didn't work, but she got another silver [actually bronze], maybe she prefers them" - notwithstanding that, of course, of that quartet Johansson had by far the weakest protection from teammates up to the point of the break, and had been the one to try to escape solo too. Targets included British Cycling, in fact, when they had the temerity to back Cooke over her not only in Geelong but in København too.

Brilliant as usual, thanks!

 

[TeflonDub]

Armitstead not very convincing in follow-up interview with Lawton who broke the story.

1. Too busy with Worlds in Richmond to appeal first fail
2. Doesn't want to talk about the family emergency that caused the third missed test. She claims this was out of character, not sure why, as missing about 20% of her tests, it would seem completely in character
3. "I'm one of the most tested athletes in the world." Yes, that's her exact quote.
4. I am a clean athlete and honest person.

Right, I am glad that's all that straightened out. Nothing to see here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3720407/Lizzie-Armitstead-reveals-fears-missing-Rio-Olympics-banned-s-scared-about.html

 

[thehog]

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Armitstead not very convincing in follow-up interview with Lawton who broke the story.

1. Too busy with Worlds in Richmond to appeal first fail
2. Doesn't want to talk about the family emergency that caused the third missed test. She claims this was out of character, not sure why, as missing about 20% of her tests, it would seem completely in character
3. "I'm one of the most tested athletes in the world." Yes, that's her exact quote.
4. I am a clean athlete and honest person.

Right, I am glad that's all that straightened out. Nothing to see here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3720407/Lizzie-Armitstead-reveals-fears-missing-Rio-Olympics-banned-s-scared-about.html

I think all that's left is "Go Lizzie!"

 

[TeflonDub]

Stokes now with an interview with another Doping Control Officer saying if the guy gave up so easily and didn't show proper credentials to hotel staff, not surprised she got off and that it was the right decision. And that phone on silent normally not a big deal as 99% of the time they get to knock on the door. Or perhaps ring the doorbell?

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/08/doping-control-officer-its-right-that-armitstead-was-cleared-in-her-whereabouts-case/

 

[burning]

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I don't get it why on earth Rasmussen got shafted so hard in pretty much the same situtation, while she is enjoying full protection from BC. I guess every anglo rider would enjoy this protection when Cookson and his gang is in the charge.

If it turns out that she was in the Dolomites when she claims she was in Sweden, perhaps.

I like a good fantasy about Cookson secretly controlling the CAS so as to advantage Anglophone cyclists as much as the next crank, mind you.

Rules are rules and Simon Yates got a pretty ridiculous ban compared to what he has done. It is clear that UCI and BC is covering Brit cyclists whenever they trip a wire.

Armitstead not very convincing in follow-up interview with Lawton who broke the story.

1. Too busy with Worlds in Richmond to appeal first fail
2. Doesn't want to talk about the family emergency that caused the third missed test. She claims this was out of character, not sure why, as missing about 20% of her tests, it would seem completely in character
3. "I'm one of the most tested athletes in the world." Yes, that's her exact quote.
4. I am a clean athlete and honest person.

Right, I am glad that's all that straightened out. Nothing to see here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3720407/Lizzie-Armitstead-reveals-fears-missing-Rio-Olympics-banned-s-scared-about.html

Lol, it is pretty clear to me that she was glowing on each occasion and she dodged the tests, BC should just state that they would protect whatever their riders may do.

 

[thehog]

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Stokes now with an interview with another Doping Control Officer saying if the guy gave up so easily and didn't show proper credentials to hotel staff, not surprised she got off and that it was the right decision. And that phone on silent normally not a big deal as 99% of the time they get to knock on the door. Or perhaps ring the doorbell?

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/08/doping-control-officer-its-right-that-armitstead-was-cleared-in-her-whereabouts-case/

Yes, this titbit in the Stokes article was glaring;

Asked for an example, he said that UKAD sends out testers on their own. “In ten years, I have never, ever done a test on my own. I have a chaperone with me at all times. But with UKAD, it is just one person. I think it is to save costs.”

And we have a problem with Russia because?

 

[IndianCyclist]

One interesting point is how quickly CAS decided on this case just in time for Olympics. Typically 3-6 months is usual delay. Look to me favoritism of the country top cyclists are always the agenda. The finger should be pointed to British cycling. Alex Rasmussen was banned more than 6 months after he was cleared by Danish AD.
Missing 3 tests doesn't prove doping though. It can also mean extreme carelessness. But considering professional athletes needed to be extremely meticulous in the way of life (training, dieting) if they want to win, carelessness should not come into the picture.