watch the stages again. Hinault waited on the Peyresourde for Greg's small chase group to catch up. Hinault did all the work on CDF and ADH.
Even the DS at La Vie Claire had to scream at Lemond to attack for once
watch the stages again. Hinault waited on the Peyresourde for Greg's small chase group to catch up. Hinault did all the work on CDF and ADH.
Even the DS at La Vie Claire had to scream at Lemond to attack for once
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Is the DS that German dude who said that cycling had nothing to do with physical ability but was purely a mental game and who evidently was in Hinault's camp?
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What do you mean? It is pretty dellusional to think Valverde could beat Froome in the Tour.
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No... There was a lot of talk about that, also because it was a very easy parcours. And Valverde had beaten Contador and Froome on a MTF earlier that year.
And GT double or not, Froome 2017 was not the same Froome as the one from 2012-2015.
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The same Chris that finished only 54" ahead of Urán ? Froome really was not that impressive in that Tour.
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Froome could barely even beat Rigo Uran and lost time to Aru multiple times. It‘s by far his weakest Tour win and Valverde could have stood a chance.
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Given that you reasoned that Froome would beat Contador in 2014 based solely on Dauphiné, surely Valverde's performances in Dauphiné in 2017 made him an unlikely contender for the Tour that year?
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Yes, attacking too early on Mont du Chat for the lulz and then being dropped really proved that he couldn't do anything... I know that attack probably didn't happen according to you given that "Valverde never attacks".
Even on the TT in the Dauphiné, he was awesome. The rest of the stages, he rode very weirdly.
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Lol. Nobody could beat Froome in 2014. As I said, in 2017 he was not that rider anymore.
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He was beatable throughout the year. Certainly far less impressive than Contador, who distanced him uphill in all races they did together, something Froome couldn't do to Contador.
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I think it's more likely Froome would have beaten Valverde anyway than the other way around. But then this isn't the "the wins we never got to see" but the "the battles we never got to see" thread and I would certainly like to know how that Tour would have played out had Froome faced any sort of competition. Hell, Porte could have caused Froome serious trouble had he not crashed out.
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Paul Kochli was the DS, from Switzerland
He tried to get Lemond to attack to Luz Ardiden, but Greg wouldn't. Greg wanted to work with Roche when Hinault was only about 1:15 behind on the stage (Greg should have followed Delgado). Finally on the ADH stage the next year, he had to scream at Lemond that if he wants to win the tour, he needs to drop Zimmerman and attack.
Greg was too passive, which is why I think had they been on opposite teams, Hinault wins fairly easily.
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These 2 have just come out of their hyperbaric chambers and the battle is well and truly on!
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Yeah I don't really believe in Valverde 2017. I think his ITTs were on point that year, but he didn't do big mountain stages until the Dauphine and he wasn't ahead of his Dauphine schedule of previous years.
Froome winning 2014 beyond any doubt is very strong claim with very weak support IMO. There's barely any data points to suggest he was better than Contador in 2014, and for Nibali I don't see how we can't put Hautacam right up there with PSM.
Froome winning 2014 beyond any doubt is very strong claim with very weak support IMO. There's barely any data points to suggest he was better than Contador in 2014, and for Nibali I don't see how we can't put Hautacam right up there with PSM.
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Not gonna lie: I just checked the news page expecting to see one or both out with covid.
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Can't believe we had to miss out on these legends battling it out
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Not a multi mountain stage, but his Catalunya stage win in Lo Port was on a very serious climb and he actually won by being the best climber that day. That's the stage which in my mind is the big outlier. Valverde being hard to drop and then winning in a sprint was quite a normal scenario. Him doing the dropping wasn't.
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On the other hand there are those who believe that LeMond could have won in 1985 already. There's an easy solution: let them swap Tours and everybody's happy again.
Greg wouldn't have won 1985 either. Hinault never stays back keeping the peloton under control so Greg could gain time on the day he breaks his nose
Even on Luz Ardiden, Greg was never several minutes ahead. The edited CBS telecast showed Greg was only 1:15 ahead at the summit of the Tourmalet. Greg got bad info in real time
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